A sign of things to come, Duke player quits team midseason to prep for draft
Projected lottery pick Jalen Johnson “opts out” of the rest of the season. Not because of injury or anything. He just quit.
I actually thought we’d see this happen in football first. What do you all make of this? I realize he’s acting in his best interest, but is just up and quitting a bridge too far?
February 15th, 2021 at 8:23 PM ^
Uh.... this did happen in football with a number of players. Bateman quit, and a couple of players in the ACC did it also just off of the top of my head.
February 15th, 2021 at 10:43 PM ^
Narcissism, unfortunately, is widespread these days. The players who make these decisions, and I guess those who applaud them, believe their interests and desires are the only things that matter. That so many think this way does not bode well for the future. Instead of “The Team, The Team, The Team,” it’s now too often Me, Me, Me. Often, these decisions to walk out on teammates aren’t even rational. By the way, how’s Karan Higdon’s NFL career going?
February 15th, 2021 at 11:22 PM ^
Maybe he can surround himself with mirrors and play with himself. It's his future right? Absolutely pathetic statement by a pathetic person. I hope your not a parent.
February 16th, 2021 at 12:26 AM ^
horrible comment and attitude. What do you do for a living? Hope you're not part of any team that relies on you.
February 17th, 2021 at 8:50 AM ^
I call bullshit on that. Duke should pull his scholarship immediately. It is a two way street,
February 15th, 2021 at 6:57 PM ^
I would play the season out at least but that a very simple initial response
February 15th, 2021 at 7:52 PM ^
And none of us on here are NBA lottery picks that need to be non-injured to cash in. We just get to wag our fingers at players in our self righteousness.
February 15th, 2021 at 8:17 PM ^
We "self righteous" people support the teams and the sport such that talented athletes can earn scholarships that others pay 10s of thousands for which has the potential to prepare them for a job earning millions. and if that doesn't work out they have had an opportunity for a free education, and contacts that may pave the way for jobs outside of professional sports.
If some of us want to criticize him for quitting on a team then I don't feel at all bad about that.
February 16th, 2021 at 6:45 AM ^
I can't believe have read all the way through this thread. Congrats "shoes" you're the straw that broke my camel's back.
So. As a player, coach and official I never developed an affinity for fans-never...and here you do a very good job of outlining why. Contrary to what fans think the playing of the games is not about them-as in nothing. I can honestly say that as a player, coach or official I have never once in my life, for one fleeting split-second, considered the fans in my actions with regard to a game I was involved in-not once. And I can pretty much guarantee you that I am not an exception here. When players and coaches do acknowledge fans you should know that they are actually rolling their eyes and ridiculing you for your shallow, delusional interest. Those of us who are playing the games would do so whether or not you show up to watch-for free...well, for little more than food and lodging anyway. There is some hyperbole here-but not as much as one might think...a fool and his money are soon parted and, here, sports are exhibit A. So, I ask, who are the idiots here???
We as a society have constructed this silly model. Fine, criticize the kids for their attempt to navigate this maze we have built-how adult of us.
February 16th, 2021 at 8:07 AM ^
It'd be awesome if all the stupid fans would just go away, but you'd still get to have their money so you could make a living being a player, coach, and official.
February 16th, 2021 at 9:22 AM ^
You are 100 percent free to feel that way about me and to hold fans in disdain, even contempt. Just as long as you don't criticize fans like me for not supporting players, coaches and officials like you.
February 16th, 2021 at 4:11 AM ^
Seems pretty important to note that he is hurt and trying to get healthy. This seems like a smart decision to stop trying to play hurt and get 100%. He was hurt his senior year in high school as well.
February 15th, 2021 at 7:00 PM ^
Sometimes you just need to pull a Bosa.
February 15th, 2021 at 7:05 PM ^
It already has happened in football. Texas, for instance, had multiple players opt out mid-season this past year to prep for the draft once they fell behind in the Big 12 title race.
February 15th, 2021 at 7:06 PM ^
I’ve always been supportive of players leaving early to pursue professional basketball and making monetary decisions for themselves and their families above the school, but this is a bit too far for me. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be allowed to quit and I don’t think he should be punished in any way, but I just think it’s a bad look. He had options other than playing for Duke or even playing NCAA bball this year, and by committing I feel like he should at least follow through on the season. This really is just giving up. You can’t do that in the NBA, even if your team is tanking for a draft pick (not equating NCAA to NBA, just saying this might be a negative impact to his draft status). Also, the roster spot he took up may have prevented someone else from fulfilling their dream or goals. Again, just my opinion - and assuming there isn’t something else going on here that has changed since the season started like player abuse or unsafe playing conditions, etc.
February 15th, 2021 at 7:12 PM ^
I feel the same. I'm a proponent for players doing what's best for them, but there's also consequences for your actions that can manifest in the form of people's reactions to you doing what's best for you. He quit on his team and it's reasonable for everyone to think so. Quitting on your team can be what's best for you, but you have to live with people's reactions to that
February 15th, 2021 at 7:55 PM ^
He doesn’t care what a college blogger of a college he didn’t attend to is thinking. That’s a farcical summation of your outrage. The outrage is a zero sum game.
Oh, no, college fans are mad at me and think I’m selfish? I bet he’s googling his own name right now to find out we are moralizing about him.
That’ll consequence him! I bet he’s learning his lesson right now. I bet he feels really bad. Like Jordan Poole bad.
February 15th, 2021 at 8:11 PM ^
I never said he had to care or listen to anyone's reactions to his decision, but he made a decision and has to live with how 80% of CBB fans are reacting to that decision. This decision will also surely impact his NBA draft stock
February 15th, 2021 at 8:14 PM ^
The ‘me’ generation has no morals or ethics.
February 15th, 2021 at 11:06 PM ^
You consistently have some of the worst takes... Does he care what a NBA GM thinks? Because if I was an NBA GM, I would consider his decision to be a bit of a character flaw. And I don’t give a shit about feelings, only winning, & how that player would react when he’s losing.
February 15th, 2021 at 7:22 PM ^
This really is just giving up. You can’t do that in the NBA, even if your team is tanking for a draft pick
Disagree here -- you are kind of seeing that now with Drummond (Cavs) and Griffin (Pistons) although they are being framed as the organization's choices. Also, Harden did everything but quit to force his way out of Houston. Not saying I agree with any of it, but I do think there are plenty of other examples where a basketball player has put their personal goals first and "quit" on their team
February 15th, 2021 at 7:08 PM ^
Quit now, sign with agent, keep signing bonus you collected from duke, get endorsements, get drafted in lottery.
or
stay a duke, get yelled at by oversized rat. Hmmmm
February 15th, 2021 at 7:27 PM ^
Oversized rat that NBA stars continually insist on coaching them in the Olympics.
February 15th, 2021 at 7:38 PM ^
-1 for defending Duke and/or Coach K. Fuck that guy.
February 15th, 2021 at 7:59 PM ^
Which is it? Is Coach K a sleaze who wins at all cost, or does he draw the moral sand in the line at a player shutting it down to protect his assets? Methinks Coach K would lose his status as a players coach by holding a grudge against a player. Especially, especially, since K just two months ago lamented the season being played. He has no moral higher ground here.
Stop putting your moral outrage into an argument and pretending your sheepish view is a wolf’s view of the landscape. It isn’t.
February 15th, 2021 at 8:05 PM ^
You sound mad, brah.
February 16th, 2021 at 4:53 AM ^
Oversized rat that NBA stars continually insist on coaching them in the Olympics who himself continually insists that college basketball should not be happening this year.
This kid did nothing but what his coach says everybody should be doing.
February 15th, 2021 at 7:12 PM ^
Make your money. He doesn’t owe Duke shit.
February 15th, 2021 at 7:29 PM ^
Your tune would be the same if Livers, Wagner, or Dickinson pulled this tomorrow?
February 15th, 2021 at 7:41 PM ^
We’ve been through this enough with football and bowl games. With the transfer portal and now this stuff, it’s only gonna get worse. Some fans will understand it and/or agree and some will hate it. The NBA basically uses the NCAA as another one of its farm leagues.
February 15th, 2021 at 8:06 PM ^
If UM was subpar and Juwan lamented the playing of the season, and any one of them was already guaranteed as a lottery pick—no. Any other hypothetical forgoes the reality of the context within that player stopped playing for his team.
Your hypothetical relies on the premise that the student athlete has only made his decision based on one factor—his selfishness. He didn’t. He made his choice based on many factors, more than fans are privy to. So, this little gotcha hypothetical lacks analytical weight. Doesn’t matter how fans feel—feel.
But no. You can be angry at any player. Doesn’t mean they’re what you say they are—and it doesn’t matter just because they are on your team or not. Some fans are always going to be angry when a player leaves. Doesn’t mean they’re right. Even if I were sad about it, doesn’t matter.
It isn’t my job to judge based on my fandom. It’s a judgment, not a fact. You want your judgment to be a fact. It won’t be.
February 15th, 2021 at 8:11 PM ^
Actually, you sound angry.
February 16th, 2021 at 10:09 AM ^
When you response is "you sound angry" or "you sound mad brah" to anyone who writes a well thought out response with a view point the differs from your own, it says something about your emotions on the topic.
Just saying...
February 15th, 2021 at 8:23 PM ^
Yes. Even more so.
February 15th, 2021 at 8:25 PM ^
Sure, Jan.
February 15th, 2021 at 8:59 PM ^
Cousin Larry is a feisty lil fella today.
February 16th, 2021 at 12:31 PM ^
My tune would be different because while I hate Duke, I really like Michigan. Anyway, good for Jalen.
February 15th, 2021 at 7:13 PM ^
""I realize he’s acting in his best interest"
Maybe that's part of the problem with society and people, everyone is acting in their own interest instead of thinking of anyone or anything else.
Loyalty to self above all things, a dog eat dog world that just feeds on each other. And these people think that the rest of us are going to enjoy watching their selfish selves get rich at our expense?
February 15th, 2021 at 7:51 PM ^
I had a long response typed out, but I don't want it to wander into societal debates.
Here's the nuts and bolts. Can you blame him? Be mad at the system- not him.
February 16th, 2021 at 11:29 AM ^
I can blame him. A system that pays a guy and gives him freebies out the wazoo to train for his future eight-figure job really isn't all that exploitative. Having to wait til he's 19 and not 18 to make more money than most of will ever see in our combined lifetimes doesn't bother me, either.
February 16th, 2021 at 12:45 PM ^
You can do both.
Just because the system is set up to be exploited that way doesn't mean you have to. We should all strive to be better than selfish. Even if it's the "best decision for him" (which arguably I'm not sure it is), he is walking out on his teammates mid-season. They have a right to feel hurt by it. Humans are social creatures, we're not meant to do selfish things only in our best interests.
February 15th, 2021 at 8:03 PM ^
I have the exact opposite thought.
What is wrong today is people do not act on their own interest enough. People are blinded by "rah-rah" team/tribe mentality where nothing that their "side" is wrong and everyone not on their team is evil, even when that attitude is against their own interest.
This country would be a helluva better place right now if people acted more on their own interest, not just follow whatever their team/side tells them what is good for them.
February 15th, 2021 at 8:09 PM ^
I'm basically in agreement with you. I don't blame Johnson one second for leaving his team; why continue to trudge along and potentially risk millions?? He's already near the back end of the 1st round in mock drafts. Dude tears his ACL playing a meaningless game for Duke and basically costs his immediate and potential long-term future out of some pride thing.
We can all sit here and say, "WHAT A BAD TEAMMATE!" But I guaran-damn-tee that basically 99 percent of us would have done exactly what he did when given that situation.
February 15th, 2021 at 8:58 PM ^
99% of us would have done the same thing yet he's the first one EVER to opt out in basketball midseason? Don't agree with the statistics.
And I don't agree with the mindset. There are good things around the thought of self care and self preservation but this isn't an individual sport. It's a team sport which requires a team first mentality to be successful as a team (and could very well be a sign for why they have been so uncharacteristically bad) - NBA is no different. This won't look good to most GM's, and he better be ready to change that mindset once he gets paid or it will be a tough career for him.
February 15th, 2021 at 9:45 PM ^
People keep acting like the only difference between playing in college and the pros is some sense of honor and duty, and not the the fact in the NBA he'd be treated like a professional and compensated accordingly, while in the NCAA he's not.
Kid might have a bad attitude; I don't think so but it could happen. But guys who stick around for 4 years can also be selfish assholes in the pros and bottom out as bad teammates.
February 15th, 2021 at 10:08 PM ^
Leo, I'm in your 1% minority then - though IMO it's absurd to claim 99% of people would do what this kid is doing. I'll assume that's hyperbole.
I absolutely would NOT leave a team in the middle of a season. I absolutely WOULD honor the scholarship contract I signed and fulfill my obligations on the court, in practice, and attending class. That doesn't seem like a radical, noble or rare position. The overwhelming majority of players do just that, including most that have a future in professional hoops.
The whole argument seems wacky to me. Why "trudge along"? Because you're on a team, that's why. Would you teach your kid to quit because their team isn't winning? FFS, anyone can still gain tons of experience, life lessons, maturity, leadership, determination, heart - all while honing basketball skills and playing a game you presumably love. Furthermore, Duke's season isn't finished - they could still make the damn tournament!
If he's injured, of course he should take his long-term health into consideration. He could still be on the team, supporting his teammates. Duke has great facilities, trainers and doctors.
I've no idea what an athletic scholarship legally requires on the part of the SA, but it seems pretty clear the intent is for the athlete to remain on the team and participate.
Do universities profit from some athletes/teams? Yep. Often well in excess of what the athlete gets out of the deal. That doesn't mean the athlete doesn't receive significant benefits by being a scholarship athlete - especially at a high profile great school like Duke.
Sure, rules can/should be adjusted to be more equitable - NIL is a good example. I simply don't buy the argument that scholarship basketball players get a raw deal just because others profit from it. if you don't want to attend college/play college basketball - don't. Play G-league or overseas.
I doubt NCAA could mandate 3 years for basketball even if they wanted to - in football there's a reasonable argument 18 year-old kids would be physically endangered playing NFL - doesn't apply to hoops. I'm no lawyer, but seems to me NCAA would lose in court trying to enforce a 3 year rule.
Last thought: I absolutely hate what Harden did. Guy makes $50M a year, and he sabotages his team to force a trade. If it's anachronistic to believe a person should do their best to honor the terms of a signed contract (at $50M/year!) - well, to me that's pretty sad.
This is just the POV of a blog-reader; I fully understand the only value is in the context of this discussion with this group of people - I certainly don't expect an athlete to care what I think.
February 15th, 2021 at 10:38 PM ^
You lost me here: " The overwhelming majority of players do just that, including most that have a future in professional hoops."
OF COURSE the overwhelming majority of players do just that, they are never going to be considered for a lottery pick in the NBA.
This kid was already injured. He was in the process of coming back. But that was pointless since this is a terrible Duke team and it is not going ANYWHERE. Why should he risk further injuring himself and get himself definitely out of lottery, for absolutely nothing? Any sane athlete in his situation would make the same decision.
February 16th, 2021 at 12:23 AM ^
As I said, most players who have a potential future in pro ball can and do make the decision to stay with their team and finish their season. I'm amazed that's seen as remarkable or controversial in any way. Athletes compete. There are dozens of instances of this - and I can't think of another case of a guy who just walked off his team mid-season.
If he's injured, fine, don't play. But IMO there's no reason he can't stay with his team for a few more weeks, whether playing or not. The idea of just quitting on your team is abhorrent to me.
One big caveat here - if Duke was pressuring him to play while injured, I totally support his leaving. There doesn't appear to be any indication of that.
I totally disagree with you that it's pointless to play for a team that isn't winning. It's about competition. If he's healthy and can play, he should play. Duke still has the ACC tournament - they could put it together and make the tournament - that's plenty to play for.
Hell, just recently a kid from his school was (from what I understand) significantly more injured than this kid - Zion. He came back and played and did his best for his team. I don't think he was insane. I think he wanted to ball, to finish his season, and to help his teammates. I know, it's not perfectly analogous because Zion's Duke team was better, but it's pretty close.
February 16th, 2021 at 10:21 AM ^
Well, it's always important to know what dudes on the internet who'd never be in Johnson's place would do. Hypothetical decisions are not the same as real life decisions.
February 15th, 2021 at 8:18 PM ^
What does a college basketball player owe YOU—a fan? You don’t get to decide what he owes his teammates, and you don’t know what he said or did to appease them, if he did. And it’s absurd that his basketball decisions has become a microcosm for a larger selfishness in the world. Really? It’s a fucking game. It makes some people money as a career. He isn’t harming their careers. They will all do well for themselves, or they won’t, when it comes to basketball.
Do you feel so inclined to call teams wrong for calling up a Double A player on a playoff team when the pro team needs them? Or is the team obligated to play someone they paid well despite poor performance? It’s part of the being an athlete. That he understands and has the power to control his own path makes you call that selfishness, and then call that selfishness a symbol of larger society! WTF.
Self interest is not new, and it’s silly to argue that players are more selfish now than in past decades or even centuries. Teams have acted in their own interest for decades. Shoot, humans have. Anytime you quite a job, you were selfish. Anytime you put in for a mew job, selfish. Shit, trying to invent the internet and not helping others study for organic chem, fucking selfish.
Do you know whether he hushed it out with his teammates and his coach?
What we have here is Soapbox moralizations with symptoms of generational myopia.