“It happened to be a big turnover when we first got down into the red zone, that kind of killed us. After that, we just kept dwelling on that. It kind of sent us downhill.”- Eubanks

Submitted by TheCube on September 22nd, 2019 at 1:45 PM

This is so damning of Harbaugh it’s sad. 

Mental toughness comes from the coach. We got the wrong brother. 

Avon Barksdale

September 22nd, 2019 at 2:09 PM ^

Well let’s be real about something. Harbaugh has never been shy about playing favorites and Ben Mason happens to be in the good ole’ boys club. 

Imagine being a playmaker in this offense (Charbonnet/Tarik/DPJ/Nico/Bell/Eubanks) and you get the team into the red-zone and hear comes a converted DT to take a touch from you. And what does he do? He fumbles the ball away. Imagine the confidence that instills in you as a playmaker in this “Speed-in-Space” offense. 

PopeLando

September 22nd, 2019 at 2:14 PM ^

I agree with your second paragraph. Your first paragraph is...demonstrably inaccurate. 

Harbaugh has cut, replaced, and fired people he liked and had success with. No matter what is currently off with our team, that has not changed.

Ben Mason fumbled in a stupid situation last year and didn't touch the ball again. I doubt we see him much any more this year.

Please rethink this particular hot take.

Junior18

September 22nd, 2019 at 2:24 PM ^

Very good point. 

How can you not be demoralized when you're a play maker in this supposed "speed-in-space" offense and on the opening drive, in a big game, after a big play, the FB gets trotted out and immediately fumbles the ball away. Then, before you know it, you're down two scores. 

Although, I agree with those saying it's on the coaching staff to make these young men more mentally tough, resilient players capable of rebounding from adversity. 

BlowGoo

September 22nd, 2019 at 2:13 PM ^

Nonsense.

We don't have the skills to not get manhandled on both sides of the ball.

"Dwelling"? Please.  That's just another way of saying "Outside looking in."

Pinning it on that turnover is gutless and misidrected.

 

Emperor's got no clothes.

jbrandimore

September 22nd, 2019 at 2:17 PM ^

The problem isn’t the fumble.

The problem is lining up a DT in the backfield and handing him the ball on the 7 yard line.

The players know it’s a dumb idea and when the idea backfires, they question everything.

 

Added bonus. This isn’t the first time Harbaugh has made this mistake.

Remember the team quitting in the bowl game against South Carolina after McKeon was lined up at tailback and fumbled?

Qmatic

September 22nd, 2019 at 2:50 PM ^

If you watch All or Nothing you see that they called a FB run without a fullback on the field so McKeon just went there. Before the snap Harbaugh noticed it and said “who’s that back there, Sean?” And didn’t call timeout. It’s things like that that seem to happen more and more the last couple years. Throwing short on the goal line with no timeouts left. Not taking a timeout vs MTSU. 

We just don’t have that fire that we had in 15 & 16. Even in losses that team in 15 fought harder than any Michigan team in recent memory. They got blown out vs OSU because OSU was light years more talented. They were more talented than the team that won the title the year before. 

Now we are sleepwalking through games at Indiana, and getting our asses kicked on the road vs every good team we play. We aren’t just losing to good teams in the road, we’re getting our teeth kicked in

Durham Blue

September 22nd, 2019 at 2:19 PM ^

I think Wisconsin's first drive of the game where they ran over our D was the thing that got the downward spiral started.  Then Mason's fumble finished it off.  I think every rational Michigan fan channeled the players' thoughts and just knew that there was no way in hell we were winning that game.  The D knows the offense can't score.  And the offense knows it's dysfunctional and needs the D to generate stops, short fields and turnovers to have a chance.  They feed each other in an odd symbiotic shit storm sort of way.

PIJER

September 22nd, 2019 at 2:33 PM ^

This may not be a popular post. Be here were go anyways.

 

There are three aspects if why I now feel a change is needed at the coaching level.

1. Is mental toughness. When we are in tough situations (tough games in general, road games against decent teams), we have been a no show since '16 in Columbus. We don't seem to understand that everyone doesn't just lay down because we're Michigan. There isn't a chip on our shoulders, and we don't rise to any occasions. We simply behave like a tan that knows its only supposed to win 9-10 games a year and that's totally unacceptable! Totally on our coaches! We're aren't preparing our athletes for success in college or in the NFL with that mentality. 

2. I can't fully tell if this is a X's and O's strategy issue or if this is a coaching staff that are too scared to make a need change. Patterson seemingly doesn't get it. Either way, the coaching is at fault.

If we aren't making the right calls, then that's obvious that it's falling on the coaches. But when I'm watching the game in real time, it sends like we're missing opportunities in the RPO. If Patterson isn't prepared enough, that's on the coaches. If he isn't getting it, then why haven't they moved on? Big time programs make the tough decisions. There isn't enough pressure on Harbaugh to win. If his seat was truly hot, as I suspect it might get after this year, he would have to make the right decisions or lose his job. 

3. Our team isn't very sound with regards to technique. Defensively, we missed tackles all game. Takling high instead of hitting at the waist. Just again not being mentally tough. And in other instances, lining up improperly to deal with slot receivers crossing routes. We got carved up by Indiana with them, and Don Brown as good as he is has done nothing to adjust. Once you're weakness is exposed, everyone will hit you in that heel. This happened yesterday in a third and long situation when Ambrey Thomas couldn't make a play on a drag route that resulted in a first down, and our D couldn't get off the field. 

 

I get it,  TL;DR version, Harbaugh and company won't get us where our players and fans deserve to be! We get the same calibur of talent as all of the big programs, and yet we can't seem to win a big game. Sounds line coaching to me. 

West Coast Struttin

September 22nd, 2019 at 2:33 PM ^

Mason is still good at FB. Use him as lead blocker in front of ZC on goal line - like Wisky did. Quick dive also on occasion to not be predictable. He has been good on ST also.

njvictor

September 22nd, 2019 at 2:36 PM ^

The fumble had to be disheartening after the last few weeks and then to get the Bell catch overturned, but you gotta be mentally tough and fight through adversity. 

Under Harbaugh, Michigan has been terrible when facing adversity and it's a genuine issue. Honestly curious what our W-L% is when we go down by 2 more TDs

uncle leo

September 22nd, 2019 at 2:40 PM ^

It's really, really sad that a turnover in the 1st quarter is the wound that the team cannot recover from.

Even the best of the best teams have flukey starts and put the ball on the turf or throw an INT. They are able to bounce back.

brad

September 22nd, 2019 at 2:52 PM ^

That's a pretty significant red flag, reminds me of the late Hoke regime.   Watching them play, I believe this mindset has taken hold, and we are now going to have to wait a while for another good M team.

Unicycle Firefly

September 22nd, 2019 at 3:08 PM ^

If this is true, and continues to be true, there is just no realistic way that Harbaugh returns next year. Michigan is about to drop off a cliff big time.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with season ticket sales next year after a 6-7 or 7-6 record with humiliating rivalry losses, followed by a terrible home slate next season.

rob6reid

September 22nd, 2019 at 3:22 PM ^

I usually hate feelingsball takes because they are inherently very subjective, generally emotional, and fact devoid hot takes. But this quote confirms what I was saying during the game. We literally have more talent than Wisconsin at every single position except running back (Oline is a toss-up). A noon game at Camp Randall, while not a walk in the park, is not even remotely close to a ~30 point swing 

So what you’re left with is play calling and “execution”. Play calling was obviously not great, but there were good plays early that either were or should’ve been big plays to Ronnie Bell. And then we fumbled, and UW scored quickly and it deflated the entire team. I don’t believe Wisconsin is truly 35+ points better than us, as they were late into the 3rd. But once we got down about 14, it just snowballed. Defense wasn’t as sharp, dline didn’t get as much push, balls were dropped or overthrown, and the oline was slow to react. None of this was indicative of the talent of the players, and honestly only a moderate amount can be attributed to play calling. 

My point in all of this is, I’ve seen so many times in the past 5 years Michigan getting punched in the mouth and not fighting back. Just this week, an 0-3 UCLA just came back from a 32 point deficit late in the 3rd on the road against a ranked team. Notre dame was down 20-10 late against UGA on the road, and was a pass or two away from winning. I see other teams respond to “adversity” every damn week in a way that I don’t see Michigan ever do. I see players give up and put auto pilot on and go through the motions. And that’s on the coach. And I hate using all of these cliches but it’s true. Something is missing from an intangibles perspective. We never have that killer mentality, and honestly at the college level, that matters every bit as much as talent. I wish I knew the answer.

antonio_sass

September 22nd, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^

this is still a bad feelingsball take.

this year, we got punched in the face against army and found a way to win.

2018 we got punched in the face by Notre Dame on the road and fought the entire game, and were a possession away from winning in the 4th quarter. people did not celebrate this; they freaked out.

2018 we were down 17-0 against northwestern and won

2018 we were down against maryland after first quarter and won 42-21

2018 we were tied against our rival MSU on the road in the 3rd quarter in bad weather, after fumbling on our own 25, and then won 21-7

2018 we were losing to Indiana at the half, and came back and won 31-20 

nobody celebrates these "fighting back against adversity" moments in our fan base. and i'm sure if we came back to win and became 1-3, like UCLA, or lost a close game on the road that we could have won, like Notre Dame, no one would be happy. 

 

Panther72

September 22nd, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^

I can’t say for certain that we would have won, but yes, it wore the spirits down. Synergy is as much a part of football as talent, strength, scheme and experience. Going to the fairs up here in Maine and watching the oxen and horses in the pulling barns makes me think of offensive line play. Two horses can each pull 8,000 lbs alone but can pull 24,000 pounds together. The principle of synergy is lifes reward for working together. That principle is the same in some regards to two linemen. Add the fumble to the called back catch and an interception along with Taylors amazing and relentless runs and synergy sank. That’s what makes great coached teams of four and five stars face blow outs [ not that our team is there] against 3 stars who are well coached at home.

Three games in a row the opening drive results in a turnover. The guys know they are going to hear about it from everyone!

LarryDarrell

September 23rd, 2019 at 9:44 AM ^

BRENT VENABLES.

He's the best defensive mind in college football today.  Seems to be the only DC in college football capable of stopping Elite modern offenses (i.e. in CFP formats).

Only 48 yrs old.  Has been the #2 man at top-5 programs (Oklahoma/Clemson) for the past 20 yrs (since he was 28 yrs old).  An excellent recruiter -- Rivals' 2016 National Recruiter of the year.

Knows how it's done at a top program.  Has enough experience to be ready 3 or 4 times over.  No black marks, violations, accusations in his history.  Could probably bring one of Clemson's co-OC's with him (Tony Elliott--the more proven offensive mind *or* Jeff Scott--the elite recruiter).

Dabo, Kirby Smart, Lincoln Riley, Ryan Day -- 4 of the coaches at top-5 programs in the country assumed their current positions with no prior HC'ing experience.

The answer is clear.  I personally think he's the next Nick Saban.