Next Year QB Situation.

Submitted by tsunami42080 on January 1st, 2022 at 1:22 AM

In short…who ya got??? Has to be the #1 storyline heading into next season 

JonnyHintz

January 1st, 2022 at 9:02 AM ^

Uh, 100% realistic. Most likely scenario is both guys are back in the spring, there’s a battle and the loser of that battle transfers in mid-April. 
 

If anything, Cade sees the writing on the wall and transfers earlier. JJ is a confident kid and is confident in his abilities. No way he isn’t coming back to fight for his spot that he has a VERY good shot of winning. 
 

Not that Cade isn’t a confident guy or confident in his abilities, but I’d also assume he’s well aware that JJ is more physically gifted and with a full year under his belt now, is much more ready to take the reins. If anyone were to leave before spring, it’d be Cade.

Kevin13

January 2nd, 2022 at 9:22 AM ^

this scenario seems most likely. I love Cade and felt he did a great job leading this team all year and deserved to start all season. But watching JJ it’s obvious the talent he brings and the difference maker he can be by next year. I expect him to win the QB battle 

rob f

January 1st, 2022 at 1:02 PM ^

You didn't pay attention to last night post-game with JJ and his freshmen teammates watching Georgia celebrate and learning from the pain?  

You haven't read of the many pre-dawn practice sessions all season long in Ann Arbor with JJ, Andrel, Donovan, and the other freshmen?

These youngsters are 100 % committed to the future of Michigan Football.  JJ ain't going anywhere other than the Michigan Football film room and weight room.

DHughes5218

January 2nd, 2022 at 12:24 AM ^

You don’t think JJ will leave if he’s going to be the backup again next year? I don’t care how dedicated you are to a team, when your future is at stake, you have to lookout for yourself. Since he and Cade both have three years of eligibility remaining, I think one of them will leave. Obviously it will be whoever isn’t starting.

Although Cade runs a very efficient offense, the ceiling with JJ is much higher. Harbaugh showed he’s willing to go with the high ceiling guy over the game manager when he started Kaepernick over Alex Smith at San Francisco.

There are plenty of power 5 teams that would love to have Cade or JJ as their starting Quarterback. I’ll be surprised if they are both still on the roster when the 2022 season begins.

mgoblue_in_bay

January 1st, 2022 at 12:44 PM ^

Could, if the coaching staff chose to go that way, but that seems pretty unlikely right?  Committing to the run seems like the the most likely thing again, and potentially with equally great (or better) results.

If Cade and JJ both stay, and JJ becomes the starter, QB runs could be fully on and that could make the running game even better.

Unless Harbaugh really really shifts his style, it'll be run first - and if it works that's not a problem

A Lot of Milk

January 1st, 2022 at 1:31 AM ^

It needs to be McCarthy. You can’t play modern college football with a quarterback who is a statue. JJ consistently avoided sacks against THAT Georgia team, gives me confidence that he can do it against anybody. Ceiling is too high and I honestly think his floor might be higher than Cade’s now.

BigJohn

January 1st, 2022 at 10:20 AM ^

They just played a one loss regular season with a "statue" for a qb. It's a reasonable argument that they would have been undefeated if they kept JJ in the sideline vs. MSU. I'm not saying JJ shouldn't be the guy, but if this season showed us anything, it's that leadership and execution matter. Cade was the man this year. 

jhayes1189

January 1st, 2022 at 12:28 PM ^

Stetson was no statue if you actually like, paid attention to the game. 
 

Edit: sorry I thought you were referring to us playing against Bennett. So somewhat agree with what you say, but I think it’s clear, barring an elite elite pass protecting line, a guy like Cade is Uber limited against the best and fastest defenses in college football, but he is still a winner. Maybe he get way better at post snap reads and reaction time, but I, and most other here seem to see the obvious; that JJ has more of what it takes now from an athletic and pure giftedness standpoint to be really good in college right now, not after years of learning how to make reads post snap. 

Double-D

January 1st, 2022 at 11:32 AM ^

If you lose one and one gets hurt you could be looking at a 5 loss season.  It can happen in a blink.

People underestimate the finer points of playing QB. Getting the offense in the right play, reading the defense, making quick decisions.

Cade McNamara is not any part of the reason we lost that game last night. He is a damn good QB and proven leader. People seem way to quick to discard a 3rd Team All Big Ten QB with three years of eligibility.

JJ has a bigger arm and better feet.  He is also known to be a great leader with great work ethic.

I’m not sure who the better QB will be moving forward and I’m not so sure any of us sitting on our couch knows right now.

losing one of them could be a disaster. Nobody knows this better than Harbaugh. His broken arm in 1984 led to a Michigan full of NFL talent going 6-6.  

MDot

January 1st, 2022 at 1:34 AM ^

We won’t have any real access to that info. Harbaugh has shown that he isn’t the type to be afraid to make a QB change, but he isn’t going to just hand it over, either. He benched Alex Smith, but Kaep took it from Smith b/c he was clearly outperforming him in practice. JJ could win it, I hope he wins it, but there’s a LOT of growth that needs to happen. He needs to improve his touch, learn how to scramble smarter, be able to think the game better, etc…he’s clearly the most important player of Michigan’s immediate future. If he pans out, he could catapult this program.

MgoBlueprint

January 1st, 2022 at 12:04 PM ^

That’s not entirely true. The only QB that harbaugh benched was Milton. He has his favorites and is fiercely loyal to them.

2017: Speight was awful. Harbaugh stuck with him, even when it wasn’t in the best interest of the team. Peters was probably the best qb on that roster, but speight was his guy. It was so bad that people on this board were like ‘I hope that he’s okay, but I’m glad O’Korn is the starter now.’ o’korn saved us in that Purdue game. I know there will be some revisionist qualifications, but speight was not good that year and harbaugh stuck with him. 
neither speight nor O’Korn had the respect of the locker room and Delano Hill flat out said that they would’ve won the title I’m 2016 with Rudock.

2019: pretty much the same thing with shea. He had a solid 2018, but was legitimately aweful in 2019. One zone read keep through like the first 8 games. That may have been on Gattis. He had no accuracy on the deep ball. It was infuriating. Again, he didn’t have the respect of the locker room. Gattis called him out. The player’s made a point of not voting him as the captain and harbaugh anointed him as an alternate to the ire of the team. 
again, revisionist history may come into play, but there was a decent chunk of the locker room that felt like Joe and Dylan out worked and out played shea that summer. 
 

Saban isn’t afraid to pull the string Jim is. JJ should’ve started the second half. cade was objectively ill equipped and it showed.

Qmatic

January 1st, 2022 at 1:38 AM ^

It will be JJ. Cade has been great. He balled out vs our biggest rivals and is undefeated as a starter vs OSU.

With all that said, JJ has “it”. It no longer is a “this recruit is the next big thing.” JJ has shown enough to see and know he is the next great one here. What our offense can do next year with the skill positions consisting of JJ, Corum, Edwards, Bell, Johnson, Wilson, Sainristil, Anthony, Henning, All, & Schoonmaker, is just at another level. 

If I had to bet, I would say this team makes the playoff next yea, with the strength of the team being the offense.

A Lot of Milk

January 1st, 2022 at 1:48 AM ^

Let’s be real, Cade had probably two good throws against Osu but be threw a terrible pick in the red zone and that game was all Haskins and the o line. JJ may scramble a bit more than Michigan fans are used to, but he has the athleticism and talent to do it without making a huge mistake. The MSU game is kinda a wash too when you factor in that they were the worst pass d in the country and he still threw the game losing pick. Cade’s floor isn’t high enough to justify sitting JJ. If Cade looked like Bennett did tonight as the “safe” option, then I’d understand, but he didn’t. And the defense is gonna likely take a step back next year and will need more points scored in the big games

DetroitDan

January 1st, 2022 at 2:32 AM ^

"game losing pick".  Really?  After McCarthy fumbled while we were still in the driver's seat?  And after the refs screwed us on a previous 4th down?  

If Cade had played the whole game against MSU, the McCarthy fumble wouldn't have happened and we'd have played Cincinnati today and quite possibly be going on to the championship game.  

Still, I think Harbaugh has done the right thing by playing 2 QBs.  Obviously our coaches see that JJ is good!

I feel a lot better with 2 game ready QBs, given past seasons that have fallen apart when our QB1 got injured.  Keep 'em both happy if at all possible...

FB Dive

January 1st, 2022 at 3:42 AM ^

1) Harbaugh confirmed that that fumble was on Corum, not McCarthy. It was supposed to be a handoff, Corum had the play wrong. It's not fair to pin that on McCarthy.

2) Of course, it's not fair to pin the MSU loss on Cade's INT -- there was a minute left, and he had no choice but to throw it up. The throw wasn't even a bad decision, the INT was just a great play by their DB who anticipated the throw and came off his man

3) It's not realistic to keep the 2 QB balancing act going much longer, especially when the current backup has obvious potential to be a 1st rounder. If Cade were a junior (for eligibility purposes), then *maybe* you could keep McCarthy as the backup another year before handing over the reins. But with Cade having two years of eligibility left (and no realistic shot of leaving early for the draft), McCarthy wouldn't start until his senior year. He's not going to wait that long, so you have to choose between the two.

4) The choice should probably be McCarthy. Cade has been great this year -- accurate throws, great pre-snap reads, few sacks. Without his poise and leadership, this team doesn't win the Big Ten. There's a strong argument that he's still, at this moment, better than McCarthy, and maybe still will be when next season starts. But the choice needs to be based on who is going to be better in the middle and end of the season -- against OSU and, hopefully, in the Big Ten Championship and the CFP. McCarthy's ceiling is so much higher, and, if given the starting role, he'll be playing better in late 2022 and beyond than Cade would be.

blue in dc

January 1st, 2022 at 10:09 AM ^

I also think Macdonald has both the room and the mentality to grow as a coordinator.  As others have stated, the offense should be very good which should give the defense time to grow.   Will Johnson in particular will probably get a shot and will likely have some freshman mistakes early, but by November, hopefully he will have ironed those out.