Oklahoma offense
Seeing oklahoma offense slice through Gerogia like its nothing - question for the coaches and smart Mgoposters
1. Understand that its all spread, but how difficult is it to implement parts of it to Michigan's scheme
2. I believe that this can be potent without Baker Mayfield (other way of saying that while Mayfield is a baller, this can still give fits to teams without him). Wrong to assume that?
3. Oklahoma doesn't recruit at elite level yet they produce good receivers and RB. Wrong to assume scheme and coaching is the reason they are a threat to CFP from Big12 every year?
4. What things can Michigan do schematically to be prolific on offense starting from today and what you saw today? Do we have the personnel to get there in a few months for 2018?
January 1st, 2018 at 6:07 PM ^
Spread option offense is far superior to the shit we run. It didn’t work with RR try it again. During the game they said we have 3 FB and 5 TE but we’re still a bunch of sissies that can’t run the ball what a joke
January 1st, 2018 at 6:10 PM ^
No, no, no. For the idiots here, remember Baker Mayfield is a damn senior running this damn offense. We have freshman and back up QBs running a complicated system.
I don't want RR back here...
January 1st, 2018 at 6:16 PM ^
He’s a fifth year senior. He’ll be 23 in April. He’s a hell of a player and has been his whole career at Oklahoma, but experience helps him right now.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:36 PM ^
If Shea is the qb, I believe our offense will be ran similar to San Francisco under
Harbaugh.
January 1st, 2018 at 7:17 PM ^
From his first game at Tech, I could tell Mayfield was a stud. He has the “it” factor, which is how you earn a starting nod over the highly rated (and since drafted highly) Davis Webb on KK’s first days at TT. KK also had Mahomes take over. Can you believe how badly that program has underachieved with so much arm talent in last 5 years.
At some point, we should rightly blame scheme and gameplan and follow through. The one shot of Drevno, he looked lost staring at his play sheet. How does a man look that clueless and still hold his job?
Peters has the t, but he played like Navarre with all the short arms and knocked down passses. He was still a freshman. Meritocracy will happen. If Patterson or DM or JM is better, Harbaugh better start them.
But we will end up continuing to play like Texas Tech (whose D is what sucks), middling, unless we find a coordinator.
Short end: coaches and players need quick improvement on offense.
January 1st, 2018 at 7:17 PM ^
From his first game at Tech, I could tell Mayfield was a stud. He has the “it” factor, which is how you earn a starting nod over the highly rated (and since drafted highly) Davis Webb on KK’s first days at TT. KK also had Mahomes take over. Can you believe how badly that program has underachieved with so much arm talent in last 5 years.
At some point, we should rightly blame scheme and gameplan and follow through. The one shot of Drevno, he looked lost staring at his play sheet. How does a man look that clueless and still hold his job?
Peters has the t, but he played like Navarre with all the short arms and knocked down passses. He was still a freshman. Meritocracy will happen. If Patterson or DM or JM is better, Harbaugh better start them.
But we will end up continuing to play like Texas Tech (whose D is what sucks), middling, unless we find a coordinator.
Short end: coaches and players need quick improvement on offense.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:23 PM ^
Baker Mayfield was the QB then. He had just as much time in the Oklahoma system as O'Korn, Peters and Speight has had in Harbaugh's system.
Oklahoma has been doing this for years. I won't say those guys are system QBs, but they've been putting up video game numbers since Stoops won his first and only title.
We will never have an Oklahoma-style offense and we don't need one as long as we have a crazy good defense. We just need an offense that has more imagination than what we have now. Where's the misdirection? Where's more screen passes? We make it too difficult on our offense right now.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:30 PM ^
...had also been a top ten program, while running basically the same offense, for fifteen years by 2015. I’m not saying Michigan’s offensive design is equal to Oklahoma’s, but we’re not comparing apples to apples.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:30 PM ^
while he was in the OK system. Peters was not while with Harbaugh. If Peters was a third year starter, Harbaugh would have produced more wins this year.
January 1st, 2018 at 7:01 PM ^
Are you convinced that Peters is the man for the job? There was considerable reluctance to use Peters after Speight was hurt and O'Korn's best was pretty bad. I'm still not sure that Peters has what it takes to get the job done. Lots of other young players seem to be doing well and perhaps that is Harbaugh's system to be blamed, but...
January 1st, 2018 at 7:24 PM ^
My opinion of Peters really dropped today. I thought he looked good late in the season and really expected him to take a step forward with the extra weeks of practice. He looked pedestrian today...still showed the good pocket poise which I noticed earlier in the year, but wasnt delivering particularly accurate passes, had a number swatted down, obviously some back INTs...
January 1st, 2018 at 9:28 PM ^
His "run" and half assed baseball slide a yard short of the first down on that last drive is going to hurt him in the eyes of a lot of fans, and I'm betting some teammates too.
January 1st, 2018 at 10:15 PM ^
when he takes a 37-step drop 20 yards backwards, then fires a dart at the feet of his receiver who's also 5 yards past the line of scrimmage. /s
He was billed as a decently mobile passer, did he scramble for a single 1st down today?
January 1st, 2018 at 7:33 PM ^
The most disconcerting news to start this season for me was that O'Korn was #2 behind Speight. This signaled that we were years off where we needed to be at QB. We forget this fact after having watched JOK's starts but Peters was a clear third string. I still think his HS film is the most impressive technically vs any other's I've watched, but I'm skeptical he'll turn the corner.
January 1st, 2018 at 7:03 PM ^
And he was a Heisman finalist all three years. It's okay to be a first year winner. Just ask Georgia...or Alabama last year.
January 1st, 2018 at 7:09 PM ^
We need to change things offense and OU is fun to watch...BUT.
We don't have a Hesiman calibur QB (Baker was 2 years ago just like he is now) nor do we have OU's OL.
Look at all the time he has against one of the best defenses in the country. In the run game they're mauling UGA.
Give us Baker OR that line and we're in the playoff. But it doesn't work like that.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:34 PM ^
Complex system...
3 yard crossing routes on 3rd and 8. 20 yard passes on 4th and 1.
I think they throw darts at a board when choosing plays.
January 1st, 2018 at 7:32 PM ^
I have yet to read or hear any coherent explanation of exactly and precisely what it is that makes our system so much more complex than other offenses.
In other words, when Brandon Peters takes the snap, what is it about what he has to do that is so much more complex than what Baker Mayfield has to do? Or Barrett or Lewerke or McSorley?
And even if I did get a convincing explanation, the follow-up question is: if our system is so much more complex than other offenses, why does our offense look so simple-minded and easy to defend? What good is all this vaunted complexity?
January 1st, 2018 at 6:21 PM ^
for Oklahoma
plain and simple
January 1st, 2018 at 6:41 PM ^
but Oklahoma is clearly having FUN. They are fun to watch. Mayfield is grinning ear to ear. That shit today was like pulling teeth, waiting for the dentist to tell you which one is going to fail next. Just a brutal brutal, seemingly endless thing to watch.
January 1st, 2018 at 7:03 PM ^
theyre also confident, confident in their scheme and their ability to produce (and rightfully so) - hard to find many guys outside of michigans D playing with that type confidence. plenty of factors but thats one
January 1st, 2018 at 6:08 PM ^
There is a reason Oklahoma is in the Playoff and it's Baker Mayfield.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:22 PM ^
110% correct
January 1st, 2018 at 6:09 PM ^
1. We lack their playmakers
2. We have a substandard o line
3. We have mediocre play at QB
If you can fix that in eight months, please apply for a staff position
January 1st, 2018 at 6:23 PM ^
this team is lacking rather than physically
That can be corrected
CONFIDENCE!
January 1st, 2018 at 6:36 PM ^
is leaving the program
Just a rumor but seems it could be possible as the young man did not dress or play today
January 1st, 2018 at 7:28 PM ^
What was the source of your upgrade?
January 1st, 2018 at 6:09 PM ^
Watch both these Os. How many times do you see the RB on his toes in sprint mode instead of flat footed power mode. These OLs are opening huge holes against each other. Those RBs arent that much better than ours. The OLs are just giving them holes to hit at full speed instead of expecting contact. Jesus am I jealous. This coming right after OU went for a big run for 6 and UG answering right back with a big RB run for 6.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:11 PM ^
decent o line play allows spread or power to work.
drevno and pep and frey have to go.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:57 PM ^
Neither are a good fit for UM
Wish them good luck and send them off
January 1st, 2018 at 6:11 PM ^
and it resulted in a 67-65 shitshow, remember?
January 1st, 2018 at 6:15 PM ^
Because Rich Rod's spread is the only possible option available.
Somebody forgot to tell Ohio State, Penn State, Oklahoma, Clemson . . .
January 1st, 2018 at 6:25 PM ^
with SP the UM offensive scheme will change dramatically
Still wondering what Dan Enos postition will be at UM
Former MSU (RB)
Former Arkansas (OC)
could Drevno be gone?
January 1st, 2018 at 6:28 PM ^
could be RB coach or new OC.
hope New OC but we'll see what happens.
January 1st, 2018 at 8:30 PM ^
If Dan Enos is coming for the OC job, is that really the best we can do? That seems pretty uninspiring.
January 1st, 2018 at 9:00 PM ^
changed their offense to power spread offense under Hurts. They do a lot more RPO in the last two seasons than in the entire Saban's career. Kiffin changed the offense and Saban simply continue to adapt.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:15 PM ^
There’s so many different types of spread offenses . It doesn’t have to be like RR. Oklahoma’s offense has misdirection and they aren’t stupid like us with how we go under center most of the time with multiple FB\TEs.
January 1st, 2018 at 9:01 PM ^
IT's a variation from Hal Mumme/MIke Leach offense.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:16 PM ^
And we won the game
January 1st, 2018 at 6:23 PM ^
we won that game.
I'd rather win every game 67-65 than lose every game 7-6.
I love a great aggressive D (like the one Michigan has) but i don't equate it to my dick size either.
If defense wins championships, where are ours?
New slogan: "Defense (only) wins 4th in the B1G East!"
January 1st, 2018 at 6:12 PM ^
They need to get rid of Drevno and probably Pep. Scheme starts with coaching. Michigan can run this type of offense, especially with Patterson. Oklahoma is a much better running team than they get credit for. This type of offense can absolutely be ran with guys like Higdon, Evans, Black, DPJ, Perry and not to mention all the TEs UM has. OU’s TE was Jake Butt in 2017 and was the TE of the year. Harbaugh needs to adapt and start changing somw things now. Obviously though the Oline needs to improve or it won’t matter what offense they run.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:11 PM ^
The funny thing is that "air raid" offenses like oklahoma's more closely resemble nfl offenses than our "pro style" offense.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:47 PM ^
Is better than ours.
Everything Oklahoma does is way more inventive than anything UM has done all season.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:12 PM ^
Is killing me and watching the QB actually look off a DB is so fun to watch. This pisses me off
January 1st, 2018 at 6:16 PM ^
Would beat Michigan by 50! It’s sad that this program is so far away from competing for national relevance. This antiquated offense needs to be gone. The college game had passed Harbaugh bye.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:16 PM ^
I think particularly with what Shea Patterson could bring to this offense, we would have at least most of the personnel to do a reasonable facsimilie of Oklahoma (key word is "most" - Oklahoma's offensive line is awesome, whereas ours is....not theirs), but the problem is that I don't think you'd get anything close to it with the offensive staff currently in place. I think that's part of the problem I have had all year with this team - I see pieces in need of a scheme that uses them better. Again, that's my "living room criticism", so I'll own it if it is offbase.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:22 PM ^
might be a too many cooks in the kitchen situation trying to mesh 3 clashing styles of drevno, pep & frey with harbaugh's vision.
Plus having a camera crew inside the locker room and whatnot may have been a huge coaching distraction this year?
January 1st, 2018 at 6:25 PM ^
The scheme and playcalling seemed muddled at times. But I’m not sure if there’s a staff that would have done much better with the collection of talent they had at QB, tackle, and wide receiver this year (some of this is in the Harbaugh staff, sure). The players who played those positions were either young, hurt, just not that good, or some combination thereof - especially once Speight went down.
January 1st, 2018 at 7:57 PM ^
Urban Meyer and Saban and Swinnet and good offensive coordinators adapt their schemes to their entire talent system. The biggest fault I have with Harbaugh’s staff is a lack of knowing or being willing fro do so. This game felt like a practice for a spread offense, because we 1) ran the ball out of shotgun and spread more, and 2) we abandoned the power run formations outside of the goal line fumble play.
As to the rumors of Walker and McDoom transferring: I will not be surprised. Walker has either been a poor practice and off field guy, or they demand more from him than they do of Jay Harbaugh and Drevno.
Someone else wrote it earlier: the meritocracy has to start with coaches. WR, O-line, QB: all three positions were below average for P5 talent beyond youth/inexperience.
Tarik, plus Nico, plus DPJ, plus Gentry: all of them should get on field together next year. Play tall ball with the talented wideouts.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:17 PM ^
To start, Oklahoma has the best offensive line and quarterback in football. It would be nice for us to have one of those two things be better than an average MAC team