James Franklin to FSU?

Submitted by DrMantisToboggan on November 21st, 2019 at 10:02 AM

Seems to be some smoke building here. FSU might not be the blue blood that PSU is, but the ACC is way less competitive and Florida is a better recruiting region, and that’s Franklin’s forte.

https://247sports.com/college/florida-state/Article/FSU-football-coaching-search-James-Franklin-Penn-State-138930282/

https://247sports.com/college/florida-state/Article/FSU-coaching-candidate-profiles-James-Franklin-Penn-State-138831991/

I’m sure Rhule would be Penn State’s top candidate, as a former Nittany Lion, but he had NFL offers last cycle, and there will be more coming this year for sure. Would be interesting if Franklin bolts for FSU after Rhule has taken an NFL job. Not sure who the target would become then. Maybe Matt Campbell.

UMinSF

November 21st, 2019 at 3:43 PM ^

I agree with much of what you said, but IMO FSU isn't as prestigious a job as PSU. I'll also push back a bit on those who feel recruiting at FSU is easier than PSU.

First, PSU is THE school in Pennsylvania, at least in a football sense. Pitt is their little brother. 100K stadium, rabid fan base, long and winning tradition. PA's a pretty good HS football state, PSU the #1 option for most in-state kids. Sandusky scandal notwithstanding, PSU's been a prominent program since at least 1950.

Second, PSU has long been the #1 program in the northeast. Michigan and OSU have cut into their recruiting monopoly, but PSU is geographically close to DMV, NY and NJ. Lots of good players in PSU's recruiting footprint.

FSU's had 1 great coach and 1 good one (and Jimbo jumped ship for A&M FWIW). Prior to Bowden FSU was a football backwater. No national prominence til late '80's. Never beat an SEC team til 1958, first beat biggest rival (UF) in '64. FSU was GREAT in the '90's and had strong run in early 2010's. You could argue they're the third most prominent program in their state.

Florida produces a ton of talent, and FSU's academic standards are probably lower than PSU's. There's also a ton of competition for Florida players. They're close to GA and AL, but face big competition there too.

So, I'd say PSU has a better tradition, better school, larger support/fan base, better stadium/facilities. FSU has Bowden era, Florida athletes, and and easier schedule.

All that said - right now it's probably easier to win big at FSU because the ACC sucks vs. B1G east. 

OTOH, if USC comes calling, Franklin should jump. 

 

Mpfnfu Ford

November 21st, 2019 at 6:10 PM ^

"FSU's had 1 great coach and 1 good one (and Jimbo jumped ship for A&M FWIW)."

You just disproved your entire post with one quote. Florida State is a job where you can win a natty with a merely good coach. Penn State's never won a national title as a member of a conference despite its former coach being the winningest of all time.

There is exactly one (1) benefit to being "the top program in the northeast," and that's donor base/money. It doesn't get you a single other thing. You're talking about a region that is on the one rapidly declining in population and on the other hand facing more and more parents keeping their kids out of HS football. There's not a single solitary HS kid who gives a dang about what Penn State did in 1979 when FSU was a backwater!

Here's what the kids who will make or break either program know: Penn State has been really good under James Franklin, and was crap before he got there. Florida State won a national title when they were in middle school at a formative time for them. Anything further back from that means nothing.

Goggles Paisano

November 21st, 2019 at 11:29 AM ^

He is a good coach as he has had lots of success.  Being a good coach is not being just an X's and O's guy.  He has to function as a high level CEO with many responsibilities.  He is leading this program and they are a very good program.  Therefore, he is a good coach IMO.  

His in game management is a thing of beauty though for the non-psu observer.  

Stinky McStinkerton

November 21st, 2019 at 1:27 PM ^

This shit is hilarious.

Year after successful year people on this board (who seem to thik they know so much more than anyone else) keep saying the same things about Franklin, and he keeps winning, and he keeps recruiting very well, and message board guy keeps looking foolish.

I know everyone FINALLY got it right with Dantonio, after a decade, so even a squirrel finds the hidden treasure every once in a while, but Franklin is doing just fine and will keep caching big paychecks, much to the apparent chagrin of the hate-filled echo chamber members here.

saveferris

November 21st, 2019 at 10:08 AM ^

It would be pretty amusing to see the fan reaction to James Franklin rejecting them for the Florida State job, since they regard themselves as a destination gig on par with Notre Dame.

Wolverine In Exile

November 21st, 2019 at 10:14 AM ^

Let's not sell Penn St short. They are in one of the still most populous states (that still has significant football participation) and historically has been a destination school for mid to NE Atlantic state high school talent. The football team gets tremendous support from the administration, has great facilities, and plays in a respected national conference against two all-time blue bloods each year, guaranteed. And between O'Brien and Franklin (Frames's in-game bufoonery aside), they've largely contained and cleaned up the mess post-Sandusky. 

So yes, I agree with you it'll be funny to see the fan base react if Franklin leaves, but let's not pretend that Penn St isn't one of the top 20 or so college jobs in the country. They'll get a quality candidate who'll be a tough match-up. Unless they hire Charlie Weis. At that point, I'll laugh my ass off.

Drew Henson's Backup

November 21st, 2019 at 10:09 AM ^

I would be good with this development.

There are potential downsides. One is that, as HenneGivenSunday notes, they could upgrade at coach.

The flipside of that is they fall off again but that could potentially help MSU stop from cratering.

I wouldn't mind the chaos and seeing PSU fans squirm as they contemplate sending their death threats and requests for haircuts.

lhglrkwg

November 21st, 2019 at 10:34 AM ^

I'd prefer Franklin to stay. I'm not convinced he isn't going to tail off soon enough with Moorhead gone (kinda how Shaw is finally tailing off at Stanford) and we've got a good footing in the rivalry where we obliterate them in Ann Arbor and we're close to getting them in Happy Valley. They could always upgrade to Rhule and potentially be a 2nd top 5 program in our division which would be awful

MGoStrength

November 21st, 2019 at 10:12 AM ^

Not sure who the target would become then. Maybe Matt Campbell.

With his Northern Ohio roots I was kind of hoping Campbell might be our next HC.

JPC

November 21st, 2019 at 10:35 AM ^

Moorehead

He's not looking so hot these days. His .615 record last year was historically good, not great, for that school and his current .400 record is the 6th worst in their last 20 years. Sure, it might improve, but he's lost some luster at this point.

rc15

November 21st, 2019 at 10:13 AM ^

Didn't he just use the rumor of going to USC last year to get his assistants paid more? I just get the feeling he's a lifer at Penn State.

LeCheezus

November 21st, 2019 at 10:14 AM ^

I don't know what Frames' contract situation looks like, but this smells like the ol'  "Agent of a successful coach gets their client's name thrown into a discussion for a big time job so their current employer will overreact with a massive contract extension" that we see around this time every year.

The Mad Hatter

November 21st, 2019 at 10:33 AM ^

With a salary that high, why leave for a rebuild project?  Especially to a school that just fired its coach in the middle of his second season.

I mean, the path to the playoff would be easier at FSU if he can turn it around, but is that enough of a reason to leave?  Is something happening in Happy Valley that I'm not aware of?*

*as per usual

bronxblue

November 21st, 2019 at 10:15 AM ^

I've never bought Franklin as a particularly good coach (he's a great recruiter), but going to FSU would be a pretty smart move.  He'll bring in his fair share of 5* kids, beat up on some terrible ACC teams, and chug along with 1-2 losses a year.  I do think this season has been a bit of a mirage for him; PSU is 4-1 in 1-score games and hasn't been particularly good on the road.  Flip a couple of those results and he's continuing his meh trend.

bluepalooza

November 21st, 2019 at 10:17 AM ^

In all candor, Franklin would win big at USC (SoCal) or FSU.  Fertile recruiting grounds in back yard and weak conferences.  They would compete next year for a ACC title at FSU.  FSU has no shortage of talent now.