Counter Point to the Prevailing Board Views re: Our Head Football Coach and AD

Submitted by HChiti76 on February 1st, 2023 at 1:09 AM

“Jane, you ignorant slut!”

For the last couple of weeks, there have been countless posts about our head football coach and our AD. These seem to be the consensus views on this Board:

1. It is essential that M offer an extension to JH because of 2024 recruiting. 

2. All this NFL talk re: Harbaugh was nonsense. 

3.  An extension with more $$ & a larger buyout will insure JH will stay at Michigan after this year. 

4. Everything is the AD’s fault. 

IMO, there are serious flaws with the logic and reasoning on all four points. 
 
1. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the extension JH signed last year go past the 2024 season? Furthermore, the damage to 2023 & maybe, 2024 recruiting is not a result of a contract issue. It is the direct result of JH’s dalliances with the NFL the last two years  

2. All of the reporting re: JH having interest in the NFL the last two years was accurate. He did fly to Minnesota, interview, and said that he would have accepted the HC position if offered. This year, he spoke with Carolina, then, Denver, and, then, inexplicably, after stating that he was staying, welcomed the Denver owner to AA for a face to face meeting and interview. 

3.  A contract extension with a larger buyout will have zero impact on JH’s decision to leave for the NFL. An NFL team that really wants him will have no problem forking over the $$ to get him. And don’t come back with some suggestion of a ridiculously high buyout amount. JH won’t sign that. No top college head coach would. 

4. The situation over the last two years was entirely JH’s fault. JH has not only entertained NFL offers, he has been dishonest throughout the process. He had that Albom interview after the Vikings turned him down saying he was here to stay and forever done with the NFL. That turned out to be patently false.

He then sent out that tweet after talking with Ono and a week later, met with the Denver owner. Once again, he was dishonest. If his tweet was the truth, all he had to do was tell the Denver owner no thanks, don’t come to AA, I’m staying at Michigan, I’m not going to talk with you. BUT HE DIDN’T DO THAT! His actions completely undermined the credibility of his earlier tweet.

As for our AD, this idea that he mishandled, mistreated and “insulted” JH is totally hogwash.

Fact #1-In any of the big time programs we compete with, JH would have been fired either before 2020 or shortly thereafter. You think Ohio State would have retained a head coach who was 0-5 vs us, 3-3 vs MSU, 1-4 in bowls and zero B1G championships? All of the other top Power 5 schools would have fired a head coach with that record.

Our AD should be commended for sticking with him, while formulating a reasonable revised contract that was heavily performance based. He accomplished something no major program AD has done recently. He got the head coach to take a pay cut, but gave him the opportunity to make the same amount of $$ with incentives. And, he, unlike all the “experts”, accurately gauged the lack of NFL interest with JH at that time. I would argue that he lit a fire under JH. JH has certainly been a different coach since then.

JH has been an outstanding coach the last two years, resulting in the best back to back seasons since the days of Yost and Crisler. And, not to take anything away from the 1997 NC team, but, if the last two teams played under the 1997 rules, they would have been 11-1 & 12-0 playing Utah both years in the Rose Bowl, who they probably would have beaten, and, at worse, been #2 both years with the possibility of a co-NC one or both of those years. Both years would have ended on a positive note with a bowl victory  

But both years, JH ruined the off season and recruiting by his NFL dalliances. And, even if the NCAA situation is total BS, it was certainly not a result of anything the AD did or didn’t do. One more headache JH has added to the mess. All of this together, all 100% the direct results of JH’s actions, have negatively affected recruiting. 

And, sadly, this will go on every single offseason until JH ends up back in the NFL. What the AD should be doing now is assessing potential HC replacements for the inevitability of JH’s departure.

I am happy he is here for at least one more year. This may be the most talented team we have had since 1997. We have a legitimate chance at a NC and when I look at the other contenders, I think we should be the favorite. I look forward to another 13-0 season, a win in the semifinal and an appearance in the NC game. Then, we can say goodbye to JH when he most certainly finally returns to the NFL, thank him for the greatest three consecutive years of Michigan football in over a century, and, then, we will find out whether our AD can make the right decision for his successor. GO BLUE!!

MGlobules

February 1st, 2023 at 1:16 PM ^

IMO a lot of it is irrefutable.

And I for one--proud M grad and READER--don't mind if someone lays out their arguments and reasons. :) Others--non-readers, consumers of Reader's Digest condensed books, whatever--are ALWAYS welcome to move on. 

People have been slamming Warde for several years, in a cumulative crescendo, on the basis of conjecture and his phlegmatic style. For very little in the way of ACTUAL CRIMES. I have zero idea whether I would like him or not--I certainly regretted his failure to speak out, once and for all about Anderson. But mostly what people are mad about is that he doesn't forcefully speak out when THEY are pissed off.

That's not how he works, and probably not how the process should work, either, much as I regret his mild demeanor. 

I think that Harbaugh HAS been all over the map these two years, for reasons that he SOMETIMES has been clear about, sometimes obfuscatory--he has succeeded here, and if he could find a really great NFL landing place HE WOULD GO.

What I DON'T accept in the OP above is that he has "ruined" the offseason, etc. Recruiting deficiencies have taken place throughout the year, not in the post-season; many if not most of such deficiencies have been made up in the portal. We don't have an aggressive NIL program roiling with heavyset guys in polyester foaming at the mouth to give dollars to players, and I'm okay with that. We cannot compete outright with the highest-priced dozen players; fuck it, I also went to a GREAT SCHOOL and it's retaining some standards--whee! I don't withdraw my love for my school, or suffer paroxysms of self-loathing, just because my team loses a f*cking GAME. 

We're not "ruined," guys. Harbaugh has had dalliances two off-seasons running. It is, in fact, HIS RIGHT to do that, in the end not much of my business. And surely there is nothing I can do about it.  

Let's be honest--this is anonymous message-board hysteria on another slow news day. Let's have just that quantum more self-awareness!  

snarling wolverine

February 1st, 2023 at 1:52 PM ^

Manuel kept an abusive coach (Pearson) employed - and even gave him a vote of confidence- until the Regents forced Pearson out.  That should have ended his tenure right then.

As for Harbaugh, the idea that Warde pulled out all the stops only for Jim to flake out is revisionist bullshit.  Warde forced him to take a 50% pay cut, which we can safely assume pissed him off.  Then, in the renegotiation a year later (which Jim did without an agent), Warde gave him a deal that still paid him less than Tucker and Franklin. Why nickel and dime a coach who took our program from 5-7 to the CFP?  This is an athletic department that just turned a $17 million profit - thanks in large part to Jim’s football program.

JHumich

February 1st, 2023 at 2:32 PM ^

Honestly a long, boring, bad take isn't a diary either.

He could just make it as a too-long comment in one of the many threads that we have had on the subject. Oh wait... he did do that... in the Sean Payton thread. Then he decided that we should all be treated to it as an OP as well. And then proceeded to speak condescendingly to the entire board about our apparent bad behavior in a comment on the new OP.

If he had a compulsory holiday in Bolivia for it, it wouldn't be unearned.

TallyWolverine

February 1st, 2023 at 10:22 AM ^

OP, thanks for the boring post rehashing what literally EVERYBODY already knows....but doing it in a way so boring that I honestly cussed at myself for clicking on this. 

   Maybe next you can write up something summarizing the experience of watching grass grow, or watching paint dry. That'd be just as +1 informative!

RickSnow

February 1st, 2023 at 2:02 AM ^

“Warde should be fired because he shot down my NIL idea that would have allowed me to take a massive cut.”

—Todd J Anson

jimmyjoeharbaugh

February 1st, 2023 at 6:50 AM ^

It must be amazing to know so much about people's private conversations and thoughts. How do you do it? 

You seem to think you know what Harbaugh and the broncos talked about in Ann arbor, you know when every power 5 program would fire their coach, you know the type of contract Harbaugh and every coach would and wouldn't sign, who would have won the rose bowl and how we would have ended up in the rankings, and you even know what our record will be next year! 

And all this with an awe-inspiring certainty most of us could only dream of. 

Just how do you do it, pray tell?

WestQuad

February 1st, 2023 at 6:54 AM ^

You're logic seems valid, but so is the logic of the points you are refuting.  Harbaugh's optics are awful under your interpretation.  No one wants to think the worst of our coach who just had two amazing years.  Nice post for the top of the board on signing day....

snarling wolverine

February 1st, 2023 at 7:12 AM ^

4. The situation over the last two years was entirely JH’s fault.

And it was entirely Beilein's fault, and Bakich's fault, and Hutch's fault that they all left.    

And it was Pearson's fault for not firing himself.  Obviously that's not the AD's job.

Warde's doing an A+ job and everyone around him keeps letting him down.

LB

February 1st, 2023 at 7:21 AM ^

Don't let Jane fool you, that's just an act.

Now I know who picked the crystal ball out of my trash. Don't trust it, the damned thing never worked anyway.

BleedThatBlue

February 1st, 2023 at 7:38 AM ^

Thread hack: in other news, more CBs rolling in for Cameron Brandt

-Jameel Howard CB’d to Wisconsin (expected if Brandt is coming) 

- multiple CB’s for Harbor to USC last night. Today a Maryland analyst CB’d him to Oregon with a 7. I know UM isn’t in it, but will be fun to see who lands the project WR. 

DennisFranklinDaMan

February 1st, 2023 at 7:45 AM ^

Some of your points are reasonable (and some less so), but I want to push back a bit on accusations that Harbaugh was "dishonest" and "patently false." The fact is, we should want Harbaugh to say those things he did. No coach in his right mind would say, "well, it didn't work out with the Vikings, but perhaps another, better opportunity will come along next year. Now: Let's hit the recruiting trail!"

Regardless of what he really believes or wants, he needs to send out the message that he's staying, to help sell the program to recruits. As every other college coach in America does!

I literally don't know what other message you would like him to release in these circumstances, to be "honest." 

(I swear, some of the posters here act like four year olds, crying that their feelings were hurt.)

As for Manuel ... because he's so quiet and behind-the-scenes, we actually don't have any idea how good a job he's doing, and how much better someone else would be doing, so he gets the blame for everything in the athletic department we're disappointed with. The Pearson thing is admittedly weird, but otherwise ... we have maybe the best football team in the country, with one of the very best coaches, same with hockey, and although the basketball team is disappointing this year, I don't see how that's Manuel's fault (and the calls for Juwan's head, at this point, are silly).

I both understand and don't understand the passion behind the criticisms of Warde Manuel. You'd think he shot someone's dog. The athletic department is in pretty good shape, seems to me. But, yeah, the internet ...

JBDaddy

February 1st, 2023 at 10:11 AM ^

Logged in to upvote.  Good calls.

Harbaugh has to walk a fine line, people on either side gonna be upset.

1. Must keep personal brand up to help recruiting, negotiating, attracting players and coaches. At that level of college coaching, pro is the only bigger pool to dip a toe in.

2. Must not hurt program by too-serious actions toward leaving, must keep focus on winning, recruiting, not being a prima donna narcissist hurting coaching operations, must put up with negative recruiting and microscopic critique by errrrybody with an armchair opinon.

Not a job I'd want.

outsidethebox

February 1st, 2023 at 8:10 AM ^

It is interesting to see who people love or disparage and why they do so...especially people they do not even know. 

We humans-for all our gifts and talents are quite the piece of work.