Alabama schadenfreude. But I kinda respect them

Submitted by MMBbones on January 2nd, 2024 at 10:00 AM

I couldn't help myself and wandered over to the Alabama forum this morning. Gotta admit, they are so much more mature than what you find on RCMB or 11warriors. Granted, that's some faint praise. But it's something.

A couple snippets:

"Have to give UM a little credit for that though. They created situations to cause some confusion about who was supposed to be where.

Yea {sic} clearly they had a few plays they knew would give us trouble"

 

"I don't disagree with not getting the best version of Bama, but Michigan is also just really good.

Their veteran leadership made the difference. Our immature mistakes as well."

 

Peruse if you're into this sort of thing:

https://www.tidefans.com/forums/threads/official-postgame-thread-bama-vs-michigan.335817/

gbdub

January 2nd, 2024 at 12:42 PM ^

Yah there was this obnoxious Bama lady at the tailgate who would just shout “cheater!” Over and over again whenever Harbaugh got mentioned. And seemed genuinely puzzled when I just said “LOL at Bama fans complaining about cheating”. They think Saban is Jesus. Also, anyone saying they take losing better - were you not around when they lost to Texas? You’d think they had just gone 1-11

Dr Vorax

January 2nd, 2024 at 8:26 PM ^

Totally agree from my perspective sitting in the northwest corner on the edge of Michigan and Bama sections. 
The older ( 40+) fans who had lived through the troubles during the 90s to aughts have some perspective.  They seemed to have a more realistic perspective and were charitable about good and bad plays.  
The younger contingent I heard/interacted with including the drunk and vaping 5 fan contingent next to me in the row (mostly mid-20s) who know nothing but Alabama being unstoppable were much more cocky, talking shit and feeling that they were inevitable.  

One of the memories I’ll have from the game is them nopeing out after the last play

bronxblue

January 2nd, 2024 at 10:10 AM ^

Alabama fans have seen a lot of winners and I think they sort of recognized that this year's Tide team wasn't quite elite and could tell UM was closer to that ideal.  So credit to them for recognizing it.  Similarly, I thought this Bama team looked better than they did against Texas and USF to start the year, and I'm really impressed by both UW and Texas in their bowl game.  I don't think anyone this year is at the 2021 Georgia level of total domination, but the teams that made the playoff this year all looked like they could win the title, and that's made them all easier to enjoy watching as a fan.

Vasav

January 2nd, 2024 at 12:21 PM ^

My immediate post-game reaction was - well those mistakes made this game a memorable, Instant Classic. Most of M's classics are ones where we get upset - the Kenneth Walker comeback, the trouble with the snap, Kordell Stewart, Armanti Edwards, The Fiesta Bowl. The nailbiters we won in 2021 were overshadowed by "HOLY CRAP WE BEAT OHIO!" and that game was not a nailbiter so not a "classic" after about a year to anyone outside of Michigan. This year, we didn't play our best against OSU and so we finally won a "classic." And we made so many damn mistakes against Bama so that it too became a "classic."

M-Dog

January 2nd, 2024 at 1:58 PM ^

Underdog beats favorite in a close game that comes down to the end = "Classic".

That's how it works. 

It's a credit to us that we are usually on the losing end of these "classics".  There are not many upsets where we're not the favorite.

How many "classic" replays is Alabama ever in as the winner?  Almost none.  The Gravedigger game is a very rare exception, and that's only because the way it was done was so crazy surprising. 

Don

January 2nd, 2024 at 11:52 AM ^

We had enough mistakes on offense and especially ST for one more dispiriting Rose Bowl loss—if not two—but our defense made up for it and our best players on offense got it done when it mattered most.

I'm not convinced this team overall is more talented than the 1997 team, but its resilience is unmatched in Michigan football history.

M-Dog

January 2nd, 2024 at 2:04 PM ^

People forget that we were down in the 1998 Rose Bowl and did not look good at first.  Woodson's pick kept us from getting down so far we wouldn't be able to recover.  We were not built to come from behind.

And yet, I was never that concerned during that game that we wouldn't turn it around.  It never felt hopelessly desperate.

I just watched the ESPN 60 minute replay of the Rose Bowl against Alabama and I can't believe we pulled out that game.  Talk about hopelessly desperate.  There were about 10 things in a row that had to go just right for us or we were toast.  And they all did.

I was more excited at the end of that replay that we won than I was last night when it happened.

What a HUGE win for our program. 

 

MMBbones

January 2nd, 2024 at 4:38 PM ^

"I'm not convinced this team overall is more talented than the 1997 team, but its resilience is unmatched in Michigan football history."

Woodson was such a generational talent. It's hard to compare the teams. But I love this team even more, no matter what happens Monday.

Needs

January 2nd, 2024 at 10:14 AM ^

If I were an Alabama fan, I might be saying some things about how/why the center was never replaced after a season of errant snaps.  

M-Dog

January 2nd, 2024 at 2:10 PM ^

Saban addressed that.  He said Alabama had three plays called.  They cycled through them as we and Alabama kept calling TOs to make adjustments to what the other team was showing.  It was clearly not their first choice play, but they thought it would work, and thought it almost did work except for a "one-guy screwup" thing.

1VaBlue1

January 2nd, 2024 at 11:10 AM ^

I thought the play was bad, too - but it wasn't.  Jeff Saturday (HoF OC) explained it on Get Up, it was an RPO that was nerfed by the snap.  The RB motioned out left and took Barrett with him out of the middle.  On the left side, they had one WR covered in man, and the RB with Barrett chasing.  Given the game situation, Milroe knew there'd be pressure because why wouldn't Michigan bring pressure?  Sure enough, both Sainristil and Rod Moore came up to cover the edge when Derrick Moore slanted inside.  That left the WR with man coverage and Barrett isolated running down a RB with a head of steam and a WR in the way.  With the low snap, Milroe had to look down and lost track of the LB, and with Sainristil and Moore coming in hard, all he could do was hope.  If he had time to see the RB wide open with leverage, that probably goes for a TD.

But hope doesn't win you games.

m1jjb00

January 2nd, 2024 at 11:56 AM ^

Thank you for that.

I don't need to visit the parallel universe where the snap hits him in the hands solar plexus high.  Still, he was probably going to have some intense pressure from Stewart and Moore.  It wasn't going to be easy like M's game-tying TD, but yeah, it would have better for them than the no-hoper that was slamming it in the middle.

Vasav

January 2nd, 2024 at 12:25 PM ^

Yea when I rewatched it too, I didn't notice the coverage but I did notice we had nobody second level - if Alabama wins more than one block, Millroe maybe has a chance. Both ends got in front of our tackles, Graham doesn't get budged, and the only person who gets moved is Grant. Stewart, and Moore all nerfed that play, with Sainristil forcing Millroe to make a quick decision and Rod Moore and Harrel ably making his run options limited to where he was toast.

didn't even think of the coverage

M_Born M_Believer

January 2nd, 2024 at 11:11 AM ^

It was interesting that on SVP (normally I ignore ESPN altogether but watching them have to give Michigan credit was worth it a little bit.  (FYI - I jumped over the BTN network where it was far more enjoyable.  Looked like Jake Butt was in tears as he was reporting)

Anyhow, ESPN brought on someone (Matt Hassleback I believe) and he broke down the play and to his viewpoint, Milroe screwed up.  He should have followed the pulling guard to the C gap instead of running straight ahead.  He broke the play down noting the pulling guard and the unblocked LB that shot straight up the field.  Matt's case was the LB was too far up the field and ran himself out of the play (I don't agree but whatever) and that cleared the way for Milroe to follow the guard, who had Barrett 1 on 1 to block for a claimed "walkin TD".

Now, there were many assumptions within the breakdown:

1) the LB (actually I believe it was the Safety) was too far up the field.  My take is he was positioned correctly to funnel the play back inside...containing..

2) The pulling guard would have been able to block Barrett in space cleanly enough to make him a non-factor

3) Milroe had the vision (or play design) to  cut over to the C gap head right to the Michigan contained defender...

So it was a reach to claim that it would have been a walkin TD had Milroe cut left.  To me Moore is the one that really blew the play up.  He as able to duck inside the TE and crash down the hole (Bama's LT and Center had double teamed Grant, but he had then pretty much stoned walled) and of course Stewart up the RT on skates and shoved the RT right into Milroe.

Bottomline, Michigan's defense won the play convincingly...

1VaBlue1

January 2nd, 2024 at 12:26 PM ^

So Hasselback paid no attention to Rod Moore and Mike Sainrstil - both crashing down on the left side, occupying the C gap that Derrick Moore left a vapor trail in?  Had Milroe drifted left, Sainristil would have eaten him alive with Rod Moore cleaning up.  Sainristil was actually blitzing from the left slot, and Moore came down to replace Moore in run support.

That play was dead, man.  Maybe there was a pass to the RB in the flat, but the snap ended that thought.

M_Born M_Believer

January 2nd, 2024 at 2:08 PM ^

you will note that in my post, I agree with you.  Yes, it was Mikey that was the one that flew up field as the contain person (also as I noted above) and he was in position IF Milroe went left.

I was just point out how ESecPN was trying to spin the last play, either downplaying or ignoring the facts that Mikey was in position as contain and Barrett was ready to take on the guard...

Too many assumptions on Matt's part to call it a "Walk in TD"

maizenblue92

January 2nd, 2024 at 10:18 AM ^

Bama has probably won enough that they have crossed the fan Rubicon into rational observers if that makes sense. Like at a certain point joy and other emotions become removed if you win enough and you just see things clearly. I think they are at that point for the most part. 

M-Dog

January 2nd, 2024 at 2:17 PM ^

When we were winning all those Big Ten championships in the '90s, the first time we lost to Northwestern was like that.  "Good for them. They did what they needed to do and we didn't. Stuff happens, you can't win every time."

We took it "well".  But the next time it happened we didn't take it so well.

 

RibbleMcDibble

January 2nd, 2024 at 10:19 AM ^

Florida State deserved to be in the playoff, but have to admit I'm glad Michigan took on Bama. Beating Bama means no one can discredit anything about the victory. Even if this Alabama team is probably more like the 5th or 6th best team in the country, Michigan still defeated college football's greatest modern dynasty and coach and a supremely talented team of 4 and 5 stars. 

Win or lose the next one (please win), this team proved itself as elite.