ESPN Doubling Down on MSU
More sexual assult charges hanging out at MSU Hoops. No?!?!
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/22457780/michigan-state-freshma…
February 15th, 2018 at 11:44 PM ^
Damn, another tough week for tom!!!
February 16th, 2018 at 12:58 AM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 3:22 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 5:51 AM ^
Draw a Venn Diagram. One circle is sexual predator scnadals and the other circle is dirty college basketball recruiting. Wonder what programs are in the overlap section?
February 16th, 2018 at 8:23 AM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 7:42 AM ^
Tom isn't losing one minute of sleep over this, if his prior behavior is any indication. Losing a game would bother him. Not this.
February 16th, 2018 at 8:05 AM ^
The dude wants badly to be loved and revered. He will do anything to reach those goals.
February 16th, 2018 at 9:34 AM ^
I don't know; he seemed pretty distraught in a recent postgame press conference when asked about the Walton situation. He came off as a guy with a guilty conscience.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:05 PM ^
as there has been absolutely zero evidence of obstruction by him. Absent that, this isn;t even close to Baylor or PSU, and the opinions that it is are quite simply wrong.
February 16th, 2018 at 11:40 PM ^
February 15th, 2018 at 11:45 PM ^
The couches should be the only things safe in EL at this point. Burn the whole school to the ground.
February 15th, 2018 at 11:45 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 6:48 AM ^
the walk on only groped her. It's not ike he raped her or anything.
(sarcasm)
February 16th, 2018 at 8:16 AM ^
I note your sarcasm, but I will tell you that back in my day, attending high school in the 1960s, "groping" was generally not considered criminal-charge-worthy conduct. In fact, it was expected that boys would try to "cop a feel" in the hallways or stairwells and then brag to their friends about it.
I bring this up only to note how societal values have changed so dramatically over the past decades. Before you start negging me to Bolivia, let me say that I in no way condone rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, unwanted touching, or any act of disrespect towards women. I just wanted to point out to the many younger members of this blog how society has been evolving. What was once a badge of honor for a high school boy might now wind up getting him suspended, expelled, or brought before a judge.
February 16th, 2018 at 8:37 AM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 8:59 AM ^
I was only repsonding to the previous comment, which stated sarcastically that he only groped her, so I made a point about groping. I don't know what actually happened. And I most certainly do not consider this a non-issue.
February 16th, 2018 at 12:54 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 1:10 PM ^
they also grew up in a different era with different values, so the expectations were also quite different. Stop evaluating past behavior from the standpoint of today's values.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:15 PM ^
standpoint of today's values. I am asking him if the girls "back then" also shared his belief that it was acceptable behavior.
February 16th, 2018 at 9:54 AM ^
Perry was accused & charged with the same thing, and he played. I hate Izzo like poison, but this being the lead story on ESPN.com's "Headlines" seems like a stretch. A walk-on is being investigated for grabbing a girls ass (which is a serious issue if confirmed), but hasn't been charged.
February 16th, 2018 at 10:59 AM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 1:14 PM ^
may or may not be guilty of that, but that has no bearing on whether the treatment of athletes then was usual, and in fact, it was--all over the country.
People here categorically are evaluating this ESPN report 100% differently than if we were being accused of the same thing. Their disdain for MSU (which I share) is coloring their judgement. If this report came out about Michigan, within a day there would be 100 posts fisking every sentance in the report.
February 16th, 2018 at 8:40 AM ^
I learned a lot through watching Mad Men.
February 16th, 2018 at 11:10 AM ^
Here here. MM also taught me that day drinking - particularly at work - is never a good idea.
February 16th, 2018 at 11:40 AM ^
Actually that isn't entirely true. In my kids' high school guys play a game to grab/swat the behinds of young ladies wearing leggings. I think what's changed is the targets the guys are aiming for is a bit more visible now.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:18 PM ^
as acceptable behavior?
February 16th, 2018 at 11:53 AM ^
People are a product of their times, beacuse something was the norm in their day doesn't necessarily mean that they were/are evil people and that their actions should not discount any good acts that they might have accomplished.
February 15th, 2018 at 11:46 PM ^
When your interim president calls out the network that is trying to expose your dark secrets... they are going to keep bringing it. ESPN is on a witch hunt. That was some more foolish leadership by MSU - they keep lowering the bar and managing to go below it.
February 16th, 2018 at 12:15 AM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 12:37 AM ^
Okay, you may be the self-proclaimed Merriam Webster on the definition of witch hunt, but please don't assume that I don't think there are witches. I am not sure you are catching the drifts of my posts - so let me clarify for you. I think ESPN started this just looking for truth. After MSU obstructed justice repeatedly, their sense of justice naturally increased. Now ESPN has an agenda, and I find that appropriate. You did contradict yourself with this statement,
"That being said, this article does seem to create the news a bit."
ESPN is going all in on MSU. And like I said before, when the MSU interim President comes out bashing ESPN, they are going to work that much harder hunting those witches. Now please keep me posted on any updates to your dictionary so I can stay accurate!
February 16th, 2018 at 12:57 AM ^
just like any profit-seeking media company is to write pieces that get views, clicks, etc.
Was their timing opportunistic with the OTL Izzo/Dantonio piece? For sure? Can you blame them? Absolutely not. It's a big story and meaningful in the context of the Nassar sentencing, because there is an institutional connection.
And given the context, this new info is absolutely a big story because MSU has a communications dipshit saying that the police don't inform them of matters when they have a specific mandate to share those things between the police and the Title IX office.
Either this PR guy doesn't know what he's talking about, or they are still not complying with the rules. Whichever it is, it's bad for them and the incompetence is limitless.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:41 AM ^
TB, you are killing it on here. Logic, humor, accuracy, depth...
February 16th, 2018 at 9:52 AM ^
is a lot of denim.
February 16th, 2018 at 11:01 AM ^
Not for 1993
February 16th, 2018 at 11:46 AM ^
If anyone remembers back in the 80s with presidential candidate Gary Hart. He pretty much dared the press to find any significant dirt on him. Soon after a picture of Donna Rice sitting on his lap appeared.
Yeah, ESPN is a money-making operation, but it's also run by people who identify with the operation, so if you provoke them and question their journalism, you're inviting them to take another shot.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:08 PM ^
Do you remember 2013 when Hugh Freeze challenged anyone to find proof of cheating at Ole Miss?
And yes, I lived in Ohio in the 80's. Amazingly, soon after the Gary Hart situation my sister found herself in trouble, yet again, and tried to tell my parents it wasn't her fault, she was just like Gary Hart, she couldn't help herself. The argument didn't work and she was grounded.
February 17th, 2018 at 6:42 AM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 10:22 AM ^
this is not a major story only because the case involves a roster athlete, not a program star or starting player. It's significant because it demonstrates a continuing pattern of failure to respond to existing regulations governing complaints under Title IX.
And, clearly the lack of public MSU administration response to this report of a police complaint alleging a certain "groping" accusation is consistent with its previous failure to comment, enabled by the the veneer of student privacy guidelines. Clearly, if there was a failure in the administrative pipeline of disclosing the nature of this complaint from police to the university, something is broken. But this excuse provides limited relief once it becomes evident that the report was essentially ignored in order to keep the basketball program from ongoing spotlight on an issue that has repeatedly cropped up at the school.
And when you fail to respond to an investigative report, it doesn't make it go away. It just gives it more oxygen and legs, and deepens the public mistrust about whether MSU's perceived response is geared toward finding fact and actiing on it, or simply waiting out the media pressure until it goes away.
February 16th, 2018 at 8:52 AM ^
"Witch Hunt" by it's very nature implies looking for something that isn't there. As in, there is no such thing as a witch. To call what ESPN is doing a Witch Hunt is highly inaccurate. I don't think you were trying to make that point, but that term certainly has connotations.
February 16th, 2018 at 9:05 AM ^
I regret the word choice and submit to the consensus definition. My posts do not at all imply that I think there is nothing wrong @ MSU, so sorry to confuse. Thanks for seeing my intent though.
February 15th, 2018 at 11:47 PM ^
February 15th, 2018 at 11:57 PM ^
And if ESPN is way off, their demise would be a nice consolation prize. (thanks for pointing out that potential scenario) I am going to look at the ridiculous amounts of smoke here, as well as the numerous independent government investigations and conclude that MSU has done some very, very bad things. Time will tell...
Regardless, I am as glad as ever to cheer for the maize and blue.
February 16th, 2018 at 12:16 AM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 6:59 AM ^
the young lady would have disappeared the noment she showed up at the cops. .
February 16th, 2018 at 8:10 AM ^
...and ESPN would be dragging the Red Cedar for the body.
February 16th, 2018 at 8:25 AM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 9:18 AM ^
It's a little late for that and would be a REALLY bad move at this point. I really hope that's what MSU does.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:25 PM ^
If Izzo is going to make an example out of him, what is he waiting for?
February 16th, 2018 at 12:18 AM ^
They reported what Allswede said while admitting they can't confirm her allegations, right?
If no one can prove the allegations, is ESPN going to get skewered? Does that make Allswede a liar or is it just that her claims can't be confirmed (and it's unlikely they would have documented Dantonio's involvement so she's on a lonely island right now). I don't know.
A lack of proof that Dantonio handled cases internally doesn't necessarily mean he didn't. Best-case for MSU, the AG and any of the multiple investigations doesn't find anything to confirm her allegations, but if they try to say, see, it didn't happen! Is anyone going to believe them?