One more OT: Delta commiseration/complaint thread
August 9th, 2016 at 11:12 AM ^
I worked for one of the world's largest IT services providers whose name you will have heard many times.
Mission-critical SLAs are heavily monitored metrics. You can fool around at the margins all you want, but if you miss those it's closed-door screaming meeting time with two CEOs - your's and your customer's. I've been there and it wasn't even our fault.
You don't miss those more than once.
I feel your pain. The time I got screwed over by Delta I refused to stay the night in the airport so I rented a car and drove 6+ hours home in a snow storm at midnight that had completely drifted over a lane in Gaylord only to find the bridge closed to larger vehicles. Once across the bridge I found that US2 was closed. At this point I found a detour around the closed road and finally made it home an hour and a half later.
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Stranded for about two hours but otherwise was alright.
How many of them were yelled/screamed at, called incompetent, and blamed for something they had zero control over?
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I doubt that many. High level tech guys probably got annihilated, but I doubt many of the "people on the ground" took a lot of shit. That company needed to rally and demoralization would have been a poor tactic. I'm sure it happened sporatically, but for the most part my guess is that your average Delta employee got their ass kissed from management a little more than usual yesterday so they would go above and beyond to put out fires.
Earlier this summer, my family and I were traveling home from Seattle and were delayed for three hours. Delta provided pizzas and bottles of water at the gate while we waited. As we boarded the flight, a "red coat" Customer Service Manager was handing everyone boarding a voucher for a $100 gift card of our choice (including Visa, Amazon, Amex, Delta, etc.).
That keeps the passenger griping down I'm sure.
just realized he was talking about getting yelled and screamed at by passengers and not management. I get it now. Yeah, in that regard I'm sure it was the day from hell for Delta employees.
Three years ago, I flew Delta from IAD to ATL for the NCAA championship game vs. Louisville. I booked a mid-morning just in case something funky happened, which did: The aircraft we were supposed to use suffered a bird strike when landing at IAD and damaged the wing (yeah, I know--not a great omen for the game).
It took 3 hours for them to finally cancel the flight and rebook us (I made it to ATL in time for the game, but couldn't pregame as much as I wanted to), but in the meantime, they brought out a cart of refreshments: I think mainly snacks and drinks. First time I saw anything like that with any of the airlines I flew up to that point.
It's always so embarrassing to see someone arguing with customer service as if their problems are important to anyone else.
Then Delta DTW CWA and it was on time leaving for Wausau.
Felt for those who were cancelled and or delayed yesterday. I know what the floor at the airport (Detroit Metro) feels like.
Most heightened senses nights sleep ever ...
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So this is for the Network IT professionals out there...this was all apparently due to a power outage near the Delta HQ in Atlanta the other day.
So did the disaster recovery plan just simply not work? Don't they have any data backed up? If everything you house (website, internal, external, mobile app, etc) on one server bank (cluster?), aren't you required to have a backup in another region (say, South Dakota) to act as a proxy until the primary system is functioning again?
I think Delta's CIO is going to be updating his LinkedIn.
I'm sure the CIO will be updating his LinkedIn page.
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Yes, you are supposed to have all those things, with instant disaster recovery fail-over. And you are supposed to test and verify that they work constantly.
Somebody somewhere dropped a lead ball on their dick.
It sounds like complete bullshit to me.
PR fail on Delta by coming up with such an excuse.
Most companies, even those outside of the Fortune 500, have redundant power for mission critical systems so that if their is a disruption, you'd never know it.
Very easy to throw Georgia Power under the bus.
Besides, one power outage causes a $35B/year company to ground to a complete stop??? That's pathetic if true.
August 9th, 2016 at 12:35 PM ^
According to CNN Delta has stated that they had a failure swtiching to their backup power. So not all being blamed on those outside of Delta:
Delta said the problem was set off by a power outage at its Atlanta hub and the failure of key systems to switch over to backup power.
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Was flying out of DTW yesterday. Lots of people lined up for missed flights. Tried to get on an early flight to NYC (there were open seats and I had only carry on), but they would only put me on the flight if I paid $50 extra dollars per passenger(!). I tried to explain that with all the chaos, it probably makes more sense to put me (and my family) on to clear room for later flights. And to charge us $50 per person when there are plenty of open seats, and when Delta was gettting national press about a major screw-up, seemed not to be a great idea. The gate agent was having none of it. Sure enough - a later flight to NYC was cancelled and my flght was delayed 7 hours. Lots of angry people. Dumb gate agent.
August 9th, 2016 at 11:09 AM ^
So... it's the gate agent's fault that you couldn't afford a ticket? You must be a hit with retail and customer service employees.
August 9th, 2016 at 12:17 PM ^
Wait a sec... if he's already paid for his tickets, why should he pay another $50. I fly all the time and every single time I've been bumped for wx, a mechanical, or even transferred to another airline, I've never seen the fare difference get passed on to the customer -- that only happens in voluntary situations.
August 9th, 2016 at 12:32 PM ^
You completely missed the point of that post.
August 9th, 2016 at 11:10 AM ^
and Delta is BY FAR the best airline out there,,Its rare for them to have this kind of glitch but as we all know we live in a technology era and this is bound to happen..My pet peeve is when there is a mechanical situation and people are bitching..Would you rather fly on a broken plane I ask them?
I don't fly that often any more but I used to...for domestic large carriers, I'd agree with you.
They seem to have upped their customer service in the past few years. Two weeks ago I was delayed about 7-8 hours due to a delayed flight crew and then weather. First they brought out snacks and water for everyone at the gate and then ordered pizza for everyone, even though it was a weather delay. Small things go a long way, especially today.
Airlines will have "interline agreements" with each other, where one carrier can (relatively cheaply) buy tickets on another carrier at the last second to accomodate travelers when things go bad (cancellations, weather, et cetera). Nearly all the non-low cost carriers have these agreements. Ultimately, these agreements serve the passenger.
Well, last fall --- Delta RATHER LOUDLY publicized that they were dropping their interline agreement with AA. Delta's press release was nothing but patting themselves on the back: "our operational performance is considerably better than our peers, American was sending re-acommodations to us at a 5:1 pace vs. the other way, blah blah blah."
The public and arrogant manner in which Delta did that was a little over-the-top. The rest of the industry no doubt loved yesterday.
Calling Delta arrogant is a little over the top IMO
sure, if a flight has 1 seat left, an airline shouldn't sell it at low cost. There may be that person who will buy it last seconf for full-fare.
But there are plenty of flights that take off with more than a handful of empty seats.
A few weeks ago, I was scheduled to fly CVG-ORD-OKC on United. First flight was cancelled, weather at O'Hare. United re-booked me on AA, CVG-DFW-OKC. That got me to OKC earlier than waiting for later United flights. The 2 AA flights each had about 10 empty seats. Without that interline agreement, AA literally would have flown those empty seats for $0 revenue. At least they got something.
Delta's 100% absolute refusal to work with AA in that regard? That's arrogant. And many Delta passengers suffered because of such when the crap hit the fan yesterday.
Just got to within 5 minutes of boarding...on time...and then BOOM! 4 Hour delay. Ha. People are pissssssssssssssssssed.
August 9th, 2016 at 10:09 AM ^
And just so you don't think I'm solely about low cost, my motto for air travel is, "Friends don't let friends fly Spirit."
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August 9th, 2016 at 11:30 AM ^
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August 9th, 2016 at 10:25 AM ^
I feel your pain. Couple years ago it took us 3 days to get from Seattle to Vermont, and when we got there, they had lost our luggage. Got it to us the day before we left for Detroit. And the flight to Detroit was cancelled. And then they canccelled our flight home.
August 9th, 2016 at 10:37 AM ^
August 9th, 2016 at 12:21 PM ^
This is the same thing that happened to Southwest a few weeks ago. I can understand weather and mechanical issues, but grounding an airline to a halt because of a computer glitch is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard...
August 9th, 2016 at 12:37 PM ^
Flew from London to Detroit yesterday with my 8 year old son for our annual holiday with the 'spoil him to death' Grandmother and Auntie.
The delay out of Heathrow and the lack of communication by the Delta staff (I had to tell the agent at their service desk about the worldwide problem after checking the BBC on my mobile...she seemed geniunely oblivious) combined with the stakes (oh the look on his face when it looked like the flight might be cancelled) made for a highly stressful day...
I'm on the couch today in deep recovery...he, of course, is fine and in full Christmas in August mode.
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