New Lawsuit in Robert Anderson case alleges that Bo knew about abuse

Submitted by amedema on July 30th, 2020 at 10:59 AM

According to a new lawsuit filed today, Bo knew about the abuse by Robert Anderson. 

In my opinion, if this is true, everything should be taken down. The statue, his name, everything. He would have ruined his own legacy.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/30/lawsuit-alleges-schembechler-knew-about-sexual-abuse-of-university-of-michigan-doctor/5543444002/?csp=chromepush

[Ed-Ace: Locking this thread. What's needed to be said has been said and we've got limited mod capabilities right now.]

highlow

July 30th, 2020 at 11:29 AM ^

Define proven, I guess? I think interviews with people who were in the department at the time and memos and other documents (depending on how M retains that stuff) could provide a useful picture, along with some reasonable thinking about what those facts suggest. Will you get to 100% certainty? Nah. Is it possible that you can get enough to feel comfortable with whether it happened? I think so, absolutely.

But, I mean, step back for a second. It more broadly fits, no? It is impossible for me to imagine that Bo was not broadly aware that something fucked up was going with Anderson given the sheer number of victims; the fact that nothing changed when Bo could've gotten him out effortlessly is revealing to me. 

Hotel Putingrad

July 30th, 2020 at 11:40 AM ^

Yeah, I know. Common sense and intuition would lead you to believe he knew what the Doc was up to and chose not to pursue corrective action. Reading Jon Vaughn's story, the comment he made about how being a "Michigan Man" was so important to him that he didn't tell his story earlier so as not to damage the program, makes me wonder how many football players (of which there are at least two dozen complainants) will state for the record they had notified Bo. Certainly, once you get into multiple reports, it lends credence to the idea it was actively covered up by Bo and Canham. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised by anything. Michigan Football is/was an institution, and institutions take self-preservation very seriously.

But I'm a bit surprised they found not even a passing reference anywhere in the archives. Seems like there would be something there, considering the letter Canham sent to the track athlete.

Regardless, it's another sad day for the alleged victims and the University. The world is awful.

saveferris

July 30th, 2020 at 11:04 AM ^

The article reports that the suit says that Coach Schembechler referred the student to report the incident to Don Canham, which was done and Canham apparently took no action.  So on the face of it, I can see Don Canham having some culpability in this matter, but I don't know how Bo bears the blame.  Including Schembechler in this mess sounds like a means to get more publicity on this lawsuit.

saveferris

July 30th, 2020 at 11:11 AM ^

I'm saying that Robert Patterson didn't work for Bo Schembechler, but he did work for Don Canham.  Did Bo pass the buck?  Probably, but he at least passed the buck to the appropriate people.  Now, the fact that the appropriate people didn't seem to respond to this in the proper way, that is disturbing and disappointing.

Denarded

July 30th, 2020 at 11:23 AM ^

While I agree with you, we all have seen in college scandals today, these athletic leaders already know they are the kings of the community and think of themselves to be their own governing body. I can only imagine it was 100 times worse back in the 70's and 80's. I am not condoning any of the actions, its just the very sad reality. 

And if recent college scandals have shown, majority of authoritative figures can't even get it right. Sometimes they even become Governor!

bluebyyou

July 30th, 2020 at 11:37 AM ^

Paterno's complicity went way beyond what you indicated.

The worst thing one can do is rush to judgement.  Find out, to the extent possible what Bo knew and when he knew and what actions he took. If he ends up dirty, so be it, but I'd like to know the whole story before condemning him or anyone else.

Because someone alleges something in a lawsuit doesn't establish the truth of the allegation.  You need evidence.

wolfman81

July 30th, 2020 at 12:36 PM ^

One big difference between Bo and Paterno:  Canham hired Bo, while Paterno was the coach when his AD was hired.  AND that AD (who's name escapes me) was one of Paterno's former players.  

I think the other thing to consider is what was the procedure at the time for dealing with these sort of issues. Passing a complaint along to your supervisor is a standard reporting practice. And if that was the case here, Bo filled his procedural duty. (You can argue that he had a higher ethical duty, which is fine, but would not be grounds to get him fired when he carried out his procedural duty.) It is not his responsibility to ensure that his supervisor does his job. I suppose the other argument is that he supervisor (Canham/the AD) may not have been the appropriate investigative authority, instead a Title IX officer should have been notified (Title IX went into effect in 1972).  This brings back my original question: What was the procedure at Michigan in the 80s?

That being said, how many of these complaints happened while he was AD?  (I'm not sure, partially because I haven't been following this extensively.) That is potentially more troublesome, because I definitely see it as the AD's responsibility to ensure proper investigations take place.

Ham

July 30th, 2020 at 11:25 AM ^

Something can be bad—even really, really, really bad (which this is)—without being Paterno-level bad.

According to testimony, when a 14-year-old told Paterno that Sandusky raped him, this is how he responded: “I don’t want to hear about any of that kind of stuff, I have a football season to worry about.”

TIMMMAAY

July 30th, 2020 at 11:34 AM ^

Seriously. This is one of the major problems with deifying a beloved coach. 

I've always felt a little uncomfortable about just how much Bo was/is venerated, and think that's one of the root causes for our recent mediocrity. 

If this is true, we need to do some house cleaning, take down the statue, among other things. What I really wonder about, if this bears out, is how will Harbaugh handle it. Real test of character right there. 

azee2890

July 30th, 2020 at 11:14 AM ^

Or at the very least, once you pass it to the AD, you better make sure he responds accordingly and investigates. Coaches should be protecting their players, not their staff. If Bo sent the player to the AD and realized nothing was done about it, he should have used his influence with the AD to get something done. 

Bluesince89

July 30th, 2020 at 11:13 AM ^

He was literally the most powerful man in the AD at the time, if not the university.  The notion that he can just pass it along and wash his hands of it is absurd and flies in the face of everything he preached over the years.  If someone comes to you and says, "The team doctor sexually assaulted me," you don't get to just pass it up the chain and move on, especially not as the most powerful man in the university.  I doubt this is the first or only person that complained to Bo about this.   

This is also why I teach my kids to not idolized any one - sports figures, politicians, etc.  Principles, sure.  Try to live by them.  

mackbru

July 30th, 2020 at 12:41 PM ^

This is no excuse. If he did this, it’s very JoPa in its pass-the-buck-ness. A good coach doesn’t just do the bare minimum and wash his hands of it, and any reasonable person knows this. I don’t know if it’s true. We’ll see. What I do know is that Bo had many deep flaws, among them the contempt women who pushed for equal treatment under T9. So let’s just see how it plays out. 

azee2890

July 30th, 2020 at 11:06 AM ^

Also agree if the allegations are true. I really hope these revelations will make current and future coaches aware that they need to be more accountable for these type of things. Truly horrible how many instances like these were given a blind eye in order to sweep things under the rug. Really represents the culture of prioritizing brand and public image over moral values. 

Ham

July 30th, 2020 at 11:07 AM ^

It should definitely tarnish his legacy. At the same time, this part, from the lawsuit:

Upon being informed of the sexual abuse committed by Dr. Anderson against (the student), Head Coach Schembechler directed (the student) to report the sexual abuse directly to then University Athletic Director Don Canham on two occasions in 1982 and 1983. Upon the advice and direction of Head Coach Schembechler, (the student) reported the sexual abuse directly to Athletic Director Canham.

means this isn’t a JoePa situation (at least, not yet). It’s still obviously not good, which it is why it should tarnish (and significantly at that) his legacy, but a “this is serious enough to tell the AD” type of response is not as bad as “who cares?” type of one, which increasingly looks like was Canham’s response.

CollegeFootball13

July 30th, 2020 at 11:22 AM ^

Isn't that exactly the JoePa situation? Paterno was rightfully raked over the coals for only reporting it to the AD and doing nothing more, not reporting it to police or anyone else when it was clear the AD wasn't acting on it.

Seems like that's exactly what's being alleged here. If true, I think it's good that it's coming to light and his name has to come off of everything as an example, and I hope we can do it without the mouthbreathers protesting a statue of a man who "should have done more"  coming down.

Ham

July 30th, 2020 at 11:37 AM ^

According to testimony, when a 14-year-old told Paterno that Sandusky raped him, this is how he responded: “I don’t want to hear about any of that kind of stuff, I have a football season to worry about.”

So, no, as bad as this is (and it’s really, really, really bad), it’s not as bad as Paterno. No need to minimize what happened there to properly assess what happened here.

Ham

July 30th, 2020 at 11:40 AM ^

See reply above. Something can really, really, really bad and another thing can still be worse. Telling a child “who cares?” after he told him he was raped by Paterno’s defensive coordinator is in a category all by itself.

Ham

July 30th, 2020 at 12:00 PM ^

Considering I’ve said that this is really, really, really bad and should significantly tarnish his legacy, I hope you’re not accusing me of whitewashing this just because I said this (as of what we know now) isn’t the same as Joe Paterno because what Joe Paterno did was so bad that few things compare.

NittanyFan

July 30th, 2020 at 12:19 PM ^

It's a "carbon copy"?  I don't believe that at all.

So you don't want to be PSU or MSU.  Fair enough, but it's a tough world if one is immediately labeled a "cultist" (which IMO, you are indirectly doing) if they ask a few further questions to further assess these claims from 37-38 years ago.

I've come to accept JoePa's culpability as regards Sandusky, but I certainly didn't do it immediately back in the November 2011-July 2012 time period.  There was a several-month period of time (I wasn't posting here then) where my answer as regards his culpability was "I don't know, ask and answer more questions to find out more."

energyblue1

July 30th, 2020 at 12:41 PM ^

Even with JoePa's culpability, I had said when he informed the guy in charge of Campus Police and his AD, no matter how guilty anyone made JoePa that he informed two people above him.

In this case Bo, as far as the report goes and we have no testimony from Bo and here say that Bo was told and Bo said tell the AD Don Canham.  So, we don't know and it would be judging without any evidence to substantiate. 

1VaBlue1

July 30th, 2020 at 11:37 AM ^

It is exactly the same thing as JoePa.  Maybe worse.  JoePa told the AD himself, without requiring anyone else (first hand relevance) to report.  Allegedly, Bo told the kid to go report Canham directly - but did he go with the victim to report this to Canham?  It is entirely unreasonable to expect a victim to continue navigating up the ladder of senior leadership without support.  Giving a worker-bee permission to speak directly to the CEO, without being present, is not 'support' in any sense of the term.

Perhaps Bo did march into Canham's office with the victim to ensure an audience?  I would respect that - and it's very much what should have been done on Bo's part.  I sincerely hope it was.

The question I have is whether Bo continued to follow up with, and protect, his player?  If he did, I would find it hard to not defend him.  If he just let it go and moved on to something else, I'm going to have a hard time with that.

But there's one very big difference between Bo and Joe - Bo wasn't dealing with minor's - straight up children - like Joe was.  An 18 yr old football player can turn around and punch someone that's assaulting him if he recognizes it as such.  If he even recognizes that he has that capability, and legal protection, and moral protection.  A 12 year old child has neither the physical strength to react, nor any knowledge whatsoever about legal or moral protections.  IMO, I can hold Joe in far less regard for his lack of followup than I can Bo.  But I can still excoriate Bo for not following up.

That's a lot of words, and I'm still not even sure what I'm trying to say.  Or even why I'm trying to say it...

MFanWM

July 30th, 2020 at 12:08 PM ^

#1 - The right response in ANY situation such as this is to go physically and take the player with you as the leader to report the situation - you DO NOT tell a young kid to go report it to someone else.  That is complete lack of leadership, accountability and care for those placed under your watch.

Anything else is a failure of leadership.

highlow

July 30th, 2020 at 11:10 AM ^

If true, a total disgrace. Agree that Bo would have to go; how could we possibly honor someone who let systematic abuse slide? We shouldn't be Penn State.

Reading the story: Bo sent a player complaining of migraines to Dr. Anderson. Anderson gave him a rectal exam (WTF), player told Bo about it, Bo sent him to the AD, the AD did nothing. Is this the same as PSU, where (if I recall correctly?) Paterno knew about slapping sounds in the shower when Sandusky and a kid were in there? Probably not.

But, at the same time, the buck stops at the top. If you know that a player of yours got rectally examined for a migraine, that should raise questions that you feel compelled to address, instead of turfing it off and never following up. 

1WhoStayed

July 30th, 2020 at 11:11 AM ^

Based on reading the article, Bo knew that Dr Anderson was ACCUSED of doing something improper. He instructed the young man to report it to the AD. What more should Bo have done? Start his own investigation? 
I know this won’t be a popular take, but I don’t see where Bo is the bad guy in this story. 

Chalky White

July 30th, 2020 at 11:29 AM ^

I would think if he knew something was going on, he would have gone to the guy himself to figure out what was going on.  Bo Schembechler was a pretty big deal. You did not fuck around with him. If he cared at all, it would have ended after the first incident.

This didn't go anywhere because people didn't care about this kind of stuff back then. You could sexually harass women. You could make racially insensitive comments blatantly and nobody cared. That's the way it was. Things have changed. More people are willing to listen now and now it's time to pay the piper.

michchip

July 30th, 2020 at 11:15 AM ^

I agree with you here. I think the best thing he could have done was maybe check in, or follow up? Especially if it happened twice. As an employee, you are trained to report up if anything comes to you. By those standards, he did what was right.

 

If you want to say those standards need to be improved I think we could have a good discussion about that.

ak47

July 30th, 2020 at 11:16 AM ^

Ah the Joe pa defense. Sure Bo absolved himself of criminal liability, but that isn't nearly enough to be absolved of personal moral responsibility.

The lesson as always here is to stop lionizing individuals. No matter statues, no more naming things after people, no more putting any individual in a position where they are above the health and well being of others due to their success.

blueheron

July 30th, 2020 at 11:12 AM ^

Darkly interesting question: If you're Bo and you actually do hear about this in '82/'83, why not act aggressively to get Anderson out of the picture or fired? We're not talking about a gray area medically. I've never seen a peer-reviewed study suggesting that punching the clown during a routine physical exam is a reasonable standard of care. A football coach could be expected to intuitively arrive at the same conclusion.

ak47

July 30th, 2020 at 11:14 AM ^

Of course Bo knew. Shit like this doesn't happen for that long with nobody in charge knowing. That's been obvious since day 1, the only question is whether the current leadership of Michigan is willing to do what is right.

lhglrkwg

July 30th, 2020 at 11:43 AM ^

Before today I wouldn't have said it was a given Bo knew, while Bo was probably the most powerful person in Ann Arbor, I wouldn't expect him to know about everything in the AD to the point that he per se knew about Anderson when the public didn't become aware of it till 2019. Now given today's information, it sure seems like he knew and decided to forget about it

ak47

July 30th, 2020 at 12:10 PM ^

The only way Bo didn't know is if he was blindingly naive, had no respect or trust from coaches and players, and was basically a stupid figurehead with no power or information about what happened in the program.

Either way, guy doesn't deserve a statue 

 

HenneGivenSunday

July 30th, 2020 at 11:14 AM ^

If he indeed turned a blind eye, then yes this ruins his legacy and yes take everything down with his name/face/etc.  It’s pretty simple.