Hot Take #1: Cade McNamara is Going to Improve A Lot Moving Forward

Submitted by Snazzy_McDazzy on October 12th, 2021 at 1:39 AM

I'm an unapologetic Cade McNamara supporter, in part because I know it can certainly be worse and because the things he does well, as noted by Seth, are easily missed by the average fan amidst the frustrating mistakes. But perhaps in larger part, I know the untapped potential of this passing attack. Consider the following:

-McNamara had one redshirt season and then the mangled, highly truncated 2020 season under his belt entering this year. Note: quarterbacks tend to improve a lot over the course of their careers.

-Cornelius Johnson is in the same boat. It should also be noted that he played HS ball in Connecticut so some rawness was to be expected upon entering college.

-Mike Sainristil is also in the same boat and he played HS ball in Massechusetts.

-Daylen Baldwin is experiencing a massive step up in competition from what he is used to at the collegiate level and he arrived to Michigan late. To say his chemistry with his teammates is behind the curve is an understatement.

-Roman Wilson didn't even have the benefit of enjoying a normal redshirt season and he played his HS ball in Hawaii.

-Erick All appears to be gaining more and more confidence by the week.

-Ronnie Bell was presumably McNamara's #1 target and safety blanket all wrapped into one. Adjusting to his season ending injury takes time.

Sure, there are no guarantees in the list above. Perhaps our passing game will amount to last year's defensive tackle situation, where the younger players' development was slower than anyone had hoped, only to shoot past expectations one year later. But to my untrained eye, our passing attack looks like a collection of very talented players who are simply in search of some confidence and better chemistry. McNamara has to be more consistent from down to down, that's for sure. But it's really not hard to see a promising path forward in the back half of the season.

BlueinKyiv

October 12th, 2021 at 9:39 AM ^

All we can do is start Cade over his 4 years of his eligibility and hope for the best.  This is not Ohio State or Oklahoma .... what other option is there .... freshman 5-stars cannot play as freshman an should not leapfrog someone who was here first. 

bo_lives

October 12th, 2021 at 1:47 PM ^

It’s obviously sarcasm, the point being that Cade and JJ are now effectively in the same class, and so in order for JJ to ever start at all, he’s going to need to replace Case as starter at some point. Unfortunately, there is a section of the Michigan fan base who believes the backup cannot ever possibly be better than the starter…

SD Larry

October 12th, 2021 at 9:48 AM ^

Hope you are right.  Fingers crossed.  We have as good a shot at a Big10 Championship at this point in the season as the other 4 leading teams in the B10 this year.  Whichever team improves the most down the stretch is likely to win it. 

BlueinOK

October 12th, 2021 at 9:56 AM ^

Cade is fine. However, JJ is going to take over as some point. It could be this year or next year but it’s going to happen. And it needs to happen because the best teams in college football have elite QBs. JJ is getting snaps because he’s taking the QB1 job soon. 

goblue2121

October 12th, 2021 at 10:03 AM ^

In order to have an educated opinion on the Cade vs JJ dilemma, I would have to be able to witness practice and film breakdowns. I have no idea how to assess JJ's presnap reads and total grasp of the offense. I assume the comfort level is not quite where it needs to be yet. The coaches will have a lot of time to teach and assess the next two weeks, so just let it all play out. We don't know shit.

stino97

October 12th, 2021 at 10:11 AM ^

We will see after the MSU game. Away game against our rival! Pressure will be through the roof! It will tell us a lot going forward! Especially with harder games to play. 

Michfan777

October 12th, 2021 at 10:21 AM ^

I don’t think he gets much better than he is now. He strikes me as a safe pick QB who has a high floor and low ceiling. And that’s ok - not every QB needs to be an insane freak athlete to be successful.

However, I’m excited about JJ and the idea of him being QB one day. 

username03

October 12th, 2021 at 10:34 AM ^

I think an important factor is being left out of the JJ v Cade discussion. One of the factors in JJ's favor is supposedly Cade's inability to put the team on his back and win a game "single handedly". Other than specific game situations, mostly we're down multiple scores, I see very little evidence this is something our coach is interested in.

mgoblue0970

October 12th, 2021 at 11:09 AM ^

-Erick All appears to be gaining more and more confidence by the week.

Underrated comment.  All had a great game against NU.  Didn't drop the ball and took some hits.  Loved it.

Golden section

October 12th, 2021 at 11:16 AM ^

Cade is our guy for now and I doubt that changes this year.

He has done somethings well, avoiding sacks and turnovers. He's a keen competitor and outside of the Rutgers game seems to wait to deliver the ball. I hope he's playing to win and as opposed to not making mistakes. Harbaugh has been accused of putting too much pressure on QB's in the past.

We know what he is as a runner so he can't be faulted for that.

But his downfield passing is not where it should be,

From PFF

Quarterback Cade McNamara completed only eight passes over five yards downfield while tossing seven quarterback-fault incompletions on those same pass attempts. He had more than three times as many negatively graded throws as positively graded ones en route to a passing grade in the 40s upon first review. 

He's got to get better. Even the pass to Sainristil required a circus catch. A well thrown ball and he walks into the endzone. That throw cost 4 points.

Some of it stems from mechanics. Hopefully he can take the bye week and the Northwestern game to polish the mechanics and practice his down field timing because if he doesn't we won't beat challenging opponents.

Gustavo Fring

October 12th, 2021 at 11:32 AM ^

I agree with a lot of this.  At least against Nebraska, though, I thought the receivers were being held back by Cade.  Against Wisconsin I thought the reverse was true.  But there were 5-6 throws (big plays, two of which were likely TD's) where I thought the receiver did their job in terms of creating separation and Cade simply didn't hit a difficult but open pass.  

A lot of people criticized Daylen for not high pointing a deep jump ball early in the game, but if you look at the replay he had two steps on the defender. He was likely expecting the ball to be thrown in front of him; having to come back for that is really tough.  Roman Wilson did it but it's not something you can rely on.  

There were a couple of other overthrows were, again, we aren't talking about Desean Jackson running 10 yards behind the DB but the receivers had succeeded in beating the defender and giving a makeable window.  The one time he did have a receiver who was that open he took Sainristil off his feet.

Even the Cornelius drop in the seam for a TD...on second viewing Cade could have put the ball a bit further away from the defender (on the other side of CJ).  That is nitpicking, and CJ should come down with it (and give credit to the Nebraska DB) but Cade's throw wasn't quite perfect.

etOverall, I think I"m here: Cade's best skills are pre-snap reads and avoiding sacks by getting rid of the ball early.  HIs accuracy is solid, but not great.  If he had truly great accuracy I wouldn't care about the arm strength.  But without having the arm to make all the throws and without perfect footwork mechanics, it makes him an average player.

Now, for this offense, an average player who doesn't take negative yardage plays is very good.  Gattis has done a good job of scheming open plays: if we can get 5-6 opportunities for deep throws a game and Cade can hit 2-3, that's enough to open up the running game.  And this is preferable to a QB who might hit one more but would also take multiple sacks and/or turnovers.  

So I think Cade is a solid QB for this team and if McCarthy cannot yet avoid these mistakes I get why he's not starting.  But I don't think this is how we can keep up with an offense like Ohio State.  A fully realized McCarthy who can avoid mistakes and make the throws Cade can't though?  Combined with a year older Wilson, possibly Ronnie Bell, a sophomore Andrel Anthony, AJ Henning, Erick All...I think next year's the year.  

For now I'll take 9-3 or 10-2 with a creative game plan that keeps us competitive against OSU until the 4th.  

BBQJeff

October 12th, 2021 at 11:34 AM ^

I remember a few years ago when in the championship game Saban pulled Jalen Hurts (who was playing fine) and put in true freshman Tua.   That decision won them the national championship.  If McNamara continues playing like he has and doesn't improve I wouldn't be surprised to see JJ start against Maryland if UM is undefeated at that point.  

MacaroniParty

October 12th, 2021 at 11:40 AM ^

Cade probably is the best QB to start right now. He is the safe choice. In a season where Harbaugh started on the hot seat, not taking any win for granted is at a premium. 

Its not the same as Riley at Oklahoma who has build up good will and the confidence and approval of alumni and the fan base.

All that being said, Michigan is not going to beat OSU with Cade McNamara at QB. 

Will Michigan lose to OSU no matter what, probably, but you can't trot that guy out there and expect to be competitive. Cade is a lot closer to Nick Sheridan than he is Brian Griese or Wilton Speight. 

If beating OSU is truly the goal then now is the time to make the switch.

OSU turned the rivalry by better QB play. Michigan cannot play conservative game management football and think the results will change. It will be another 50 something to 20 something affair. 

gbdub

October 12th, 2021 at 11:49 AM ^

Cade is a lot closer to Nick Sheridan than he is Brian Griese or Wilton Speight. 

Not even close. Nick Sheridan was really, really bad. Cade is not that at all. Speight is a fine comparison. Don't forget that Cade is functionally a sophomore++ with the truncated season last year. He still should be expected to improve a lot over this season and offseason, and he certainly seems capable of getting his passing game to somewhere on the good side of healthy Speight (and healthy Speight probably beats 2016 OSU). Fifth year senior McNamara probably looks like Jake Rudock at the same point in his career. 

Will JJ pass him before he gets there? There's certainly a very real chance of that. But that means JJ is a 5 star delivering on his promise, not that Cade is a scrub. 

MacaroniParty

October 12th, 2021 at 11:54 AM ^

He is better than Sheridan. He also has a much better team around him. Physically it is a reasonable comparison.

My point remains valid. Michigan is not going to beat OSU with a game manager, ever. 

OSU is a perennial playoff team. What do Bama, Clemson, OSU, Oklahoma consistently have in common during the playoff era.. elite QB play.

Staying with McNamara is a comfort pick and playing it safe. That ain't beating OSU. 

gbdub

October 12th, 2021 at 1:57 PM ^

Was Speight a "game manager"? I'd say yes. He certainly wasn't "elite". And yet, Michigan probably wins in 2016 and 2017 if he's healthy and playing at his potential. 

2018 and 2019? Sure, that would have taken elite QB play (or a competent defense). 

Heck, Hoke might have one one or two more with a "game manager" more suited to the style of play he wanted (2012 was certainly winnable). 

BlueinKyiv

October 12th, 2021 at 2:11 PM ^

When I was at Michigan in the 1980s, I always wondered what it took to become a fan of a team like Indiana, Wisconsin or Northwestern that were simply happy to  get a quarterback that manages the game enough to win the majority of the scheduled games and go to a half-decent bowl game.  Now I see that going 3 - 17 against Ohio State over the last two decades has produced many similar fans in maize and blue.

BlueinKyiv

October 12th, 2021 at 2:18 PM ^

.....and JJ is 218.2 undoubtably the best efficiency ranking of a Michigan back-up in decades.  

Nobody is saying Cade is a terrible QB, we just don't want to waste the opportunity to potentially have a QB equal to the Buckeyes when we play them in November.  And frankly I am willing to lose a game or two to get there.  Moving to 3 - 18 against the Buckeyes is the only fear I have.

gbdub

October 12th, 2021 at 11:43 AM ^

I do think the WRs deserve a share of the blame here. They aren't bad, but they aren't really making a lot of "catches above replacement". A great WR can really elevate the play of a young decent-but-not-great QB (which is what Cade is) - better routes, better adjustment to balls that are thrown a little off, bigger catching radius, and better performance on contested catches.  

Replace Baldwin with Braylon and All with Butt, and I bet no one is complaining about the passing game. Right now we have a bunch of fast guys, but no great receivers (to be fair, they are young/inexperienced too). 

 

toughlove70

October 12th, 2021 at 11:54 AM ^

 

Does everyone forget that Cade is a redshirt sophmore?  The kid is young.  He hasn't even had one full season and every game there is a stupid made-up quarterback controversy.  I love that we have an athletic multidimensional back-up QB that is getting reps, but I am surprised that there are so many people that are disappointed in our QB play, given what we have experienced since Rudock.  No, Shea Patterson did not make good reads and did not have pocket presence. 

Cade has done many things well so far this season, but he hasn't done them all in one game, with the exception being blowouts where he was pulled after throwing 11 passes.

In other words, he hasn't had enough reps throwing the ball and he is inexperienced.  He has all the tools to be a great marginally mobile QB and he seems to have the right mindset.  Let's see what he does against MSU.  That will be judgment day.

MacaroniParty

October 12th, 2021 at 11:57 AM ^

Because reasonable people can look down south to Columbus and see OSU dropping 66 on Maryland. 

It's not difficult to project how that goes for the Michigan offense unless you are counting on the running game controlling the game. Not out of the realm of possibilities but made more difficult with McNamara since he can't run.

It's being realistic. 

Teeba

October 12th, 2021 at 12:32 PM ^

OSU’s receivers are all 5 stars. Our best WR was injured in the first game. The #2 guy is a 3.5 star. #3 is a transfer from the SWAC. There are no slot ninjas on the team. The best TE has a history of the dropsies. The coaches are calling a ball control game that runs clock and limits possessions. But it’s Cade’s fault we’re not scoring 66 points a game?

MacaroniParty

October 12th, 2021 at 1:02 PM ^

I don't care about stars. I can look at the talent on a college football field and use my eyes and brain to decide. Johnson, Wilson, and Henning are all very talented players that any BIG team not named OSU would love to have. 

If you are going to knock them for drops then praise them for the tough catches too. It goes both ways. 

I never said anything was Cade's fault. The fact is he can't run and throws a wounded duck. If you guys can't handle me typing out what is obvious for everyone to see then so be it. Down vote away. Idc I post here maybe once or twice a year.

Michigan ain't gunna beat OSU with just a serviceable guy at QB. This isn't ground breaking commentary here.

My fear is Harbaugh plays it safe until the rubber meets the road and his hand is forced. Doesn't take a Nostradamus to see that is likely on the last Saturday of the season. By then it is probably too late.

Teeba

October 12th, 2021 at 4:55 PM ^

The drops outnumber the tough catches. The failures to high point balls outnumber the tough catches. Other teams would like to have our guys for depth. We aren’t going to have any all big ten receivers, and that’s not Cade’s fault.
Henning is really fast. I haven’t seen him do almost anything as a WR except run reverses. Wilson had 1 very good game and got hurt. CornJohn is my favorite receiver, but he’s limited. He doesn’t have the ability to jump for a ball a la Braylon or Manningham.

toughlove70

October 12th, 2021 at 11:54 AM ^

 

Does everyone forget that Cade is a redshirt sophmore?  The kid is young.  He hasn't even had one full season and every game there is a stupid made-up quarterback controversy.  I love that we have an athletic multidimensional back-up QB that is getting reps, but I am surprised that there are so many people that are disappointed in our QB play, given what we have experienced since Rudock.  No, Shea Patterson did not make good reads and did not have pocket presence. 

Cade has done many things well so far this season, but he hasn't done them all in one game, with the exception being blowouts where he was pulled after throwing 11 passes.

In other words, he hasn't had enough reps throwing the ball and he is inexperienced.  He has all the tools to be a great marginally mobile QB and he seems to have the right mindset.  Let's see what he does against MSU.  That will be judgment day.

MgofanNC

October 12th, 2021 at 11:59 AM ^

So Cade will get better because his receivers will get better? That seems to be the general point of this "Hot Take."

Certainly better receivers help a QB but that seems like kind of an odd take here. If the point is meant to be Cade will be better shouldn't the bullets be ways you think he'll improve? 

Also, your point about "QBs tend to improve over the course of their careers" isn't one I'd agree with. Some certainly do and some definitely don't. Year 2 Speight and Year 2 Shea both were regressions. I don't think we would say O'Korn improved over his time at UM. I didn't see much in the way of improvement with Milton either. If we want to look around the the country this year I can point to a lot of players that are worse this year than last (Mertz, Penix, Spencer Rattler at OU...). 

Would love to see Cade have a monster second half of the season but I think a lot of that will be on his midrange accuracy and ability to better handle the RPO stuff. 

MRunner73

October 12th, 2021 at 12:29 PM ^

With Ronnie Bell out for the season, there's a difference of opinion here. If we're at #2, then is OSU at #1? How about MI State? I'd rate them higher than Michigan's. Johnson is capable and could start at OSU. CJ Stround being a better passer, Johnson would be lighting it up, am in agreement there.

Teeba

October 12th, 2021 at 5:33 PM ^

https://mgoblog.com/content/enemy-ranked-2021-receiver

MGoBlog had us in the 5-7 range with Ronnie Bell and expecting someone to breakout. Wilson had one really good game. Meanwhile, MSU has 3 of the top 15 players in receiving yards per game and PSU has Dotson. I’d put our WR group in the same ballpark as Wisconsin, Nebraska and Rutgers. There are some quality Big10 WRs on our team, but no standouts.

MacaroniParty is making some wild assertions to justify their opinion of Cade.

MRunner73

October 12th, 2021 at 12:24 PM ^

The best way to assess Cade is measure him against the better B1G teams. Topping the list of best QBs would be CJ Stroud. He hits his receivers in stride, they of course catch those passes. Maybe a tie would be Martinez and Clifford. They too can throw downfield and are mobile. Then there's Thorne, he sure lit it up last week at Rutgers as he hit his receivers in stride and made it look easy.

To round out the Top 5, hard to say. Tagovialoa has stubbled lately, the IA QB does not overwhelm with is playmaking ability. Mertz is performing below expectations. Pennix has been injured too much and not as he was the previous two seasons. Where does this leave Cade? He could be a weak 5th best QB in the B1G and I'm sure I am missing some other QB in conference.

What I'd like to see Cade do is make those kind of plays with much more consistency as those aforementioned Top 4 QBs are doing. The next two games, NW and MI State will tell us whether or not Cade is even capable of being that good.

I am hoping Cade can make that progress because the best of the best teams have that explosive QB play. Something this Michigan program has been lacking over the years.

burtcomma

October 12th, 2021 at 12:26 PM ^

Well, we have two weeks (NW will be a do whatever we want O game) to evaluate and self-scout our first 6 games. I’m extremely interested to see what our coaching staff changed and/or tweaks on our O based on their analysis.  It’ll tell us a lot about them, their ability to teach, and our player’s ability to grow and learn.  

Gohokego

October 12th, 2021 at 12:31 PM ^

Repetition over the next 3 weeks will be crucial for the passing game.  This is a great time for the bye week to come and Northwestern is just terrible this year.  

I would like to see the passing game more against NW just because practice speed is just different then game speed. 

The next 3 weeks leading up to MSU should give Cade and the receivers lots of time to work together.  With not worrying about a game this week they can really work on their timing together.  

Magnum P.I.

October 12th, 2021 at 1:24 PM ^

All I know is that this is Michigan, and you NEVER start a younger QB over an established leader. That's just stupid talk. Have we all forgotten 1995 when sophomore Scott Dreisbach was given the reins over junior Brian Griese??! Never again!

StephenRKass

October 12th, 2021 at 1:32 PM ^

Cade is going to have to improve a lot, and quickly. If he doesn't, we could lose several games. And JJ McCarthy could be starting. I mean, this is all pretty obvious, but

  • He has to be able to do a minimal RPO. The fact that he can't run forward more than a yard or two is frustrating and disgusting. Tom Brady is no speed demon, but he manages to take runs every now and then when the yards are available. (Ok, you shouldn't compare the GOAT to anyone, but the point of comparison is foot speed.)
  • He has to hit receivers in stride, and have more accuracy. I'll wait for Seth's UFR, but both with long passes and outs, I see way too many passes that go beyond the receiver, or are practically in the dirt.
  • As has been said by Brian et al, he isn't being helped a lot by a number of receivers. It is impossible to completely gauge the impact of Bell's injury. But there are too many catchable balls that have been dropped.

BlueinKyiv

October 12th, 2021 at 2:23 PM ^

....but ask yourself honestly.....would you rather have lost those two games you mention knowing we were giving JJ the experience needed going into the Buckeyes or lose those two games knowing we are going into that game with either a broken starter or a freshman that has started a dozen fewer games than OSU's freshman QB.