BTN Fall Camp Videos 8-16-16
Five camp videos from the link below @ MGoVideo
August 17th, 2016 at 9:47 AM ^
I love hearing about how good Ben Bredeson has been so far. I hope he keeps it up, we need another offensive lineman this year. If he is doing this well in practice against our defensive line....oooh boy watch out!
August 17th, 2016 at 10:21 AM ^
The Bredeson comments are exactly what we needed to hear. He may be the 5th or 6th best lineman on the team already. Great future.
August 17th, 2016 at 10:32 AM ^
I could watch them go head to head all day.
August 17th, 2016 at 2:11 PM ^
Gary about gave Bredeson whiplash on that initial punch haha
August 17th, 2016 at 9:48 AM ^
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August 17th, 2016 at 9:50 AM ^
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August 17th, 2016 at 10:15 AM ^
I see it as both...
Half-full because we have someone who could potentially step in and give us valuable contribution.
Half-empty because there was no one else on the roster that could step up instead of a true freshman. I don't wanna blame Brady Hoke for the depth/development issues he left, especially on the OL, but if the shoe fits....
I do think Bredeson will end up starting at some point this year, but not to replace Newsome. Kalis would be my guess if I were a betting man.
August 17th, 2016 at 10:35 AM ^
August 17th, 2016 at 10:54 AM ^
If you consider the hole RR left and that no OL were recruited at all in 2010, plus 3 of Hoke's recruits didn't pan out for non-performance issues (Bosch had drinking issues, Fox was injured, LTT. . . you know the story), it's actually an accomplishment to get a starting 5 like we have and had last year. Granted, it took Harbaugh and Drevno to get those guys up to par, but Hoke did recruit the position fairly well.
August 17th, 2016 at 11:29 AM ^
No, you can't blame Hoke for neglecting to recruit the OL, he did get highly rated guys. But my point was more that he wasn't very good at developing those guys nor was he good at future roster management. Hence, why the dept behind the starters is very thin and very young.
August 17th, 2016 at 11:42 AM ^
Again, the development point I can definitely see, but what did he do from a roster management perspective that caused the depth issues?
August 17th, 2016 at 12:14 PM ^
Trying to see through my own Harbaugh colored glasses here, but it seems like one of the main differences between Hoke and Harbaugh's OL recruiting is that Harbaugh takes guys that fit a very specific idea of what he wants in a lineman -- especially when it comes to the players rated lower by the services.
Hoke seemed to take a lot more fliers on guys that either had red flags (Fox with an injury) or needed tons of development (LTT and JBB) and he never had the system to actually provide support and development for them. Plus, he only took 2 OL in 2014 which was a problem that was compounded when so many of the 2013 recruits didn't pan out.
So while you're always going to have high-rated guys like Kalis or Kugler that don't quiet pan out the way you think they will, you can't afford to miss on your "project" players since they are the ones that make up the base of your OL depth. To me, that's where Hoke screwed up and created depth issues.
August 17th, 2016 at 1:31 PM ^
While I think there's something to the "project OLineman" idea, I think it's more of a "bloody-minded universe" thing. LTT was supposedly coming on and would have likely been the starter at LT this year had he not committed a really dumb crime. Fox's injury was one that normally heals up and just, for whatever reason, didn't. And the other player turned out to have some significant psychological issues.
If anything, the fall-off of oline recruiting in the late RR years meant that Hoke had to hit on an inordinately high number of Oline prospects and that they had to develop more quickly than normally expected.
August 17th, 2016 at 2:02 PM ^
Here's Hoke's OL recruiting:
2011:
Chris Bryant - 3* - Career ending injury
Jack Miller (RR) - 3* - Starter
2012:
Kyle Kalis - 4* - Starter
Erik Magnuson - 4* - Starter
Ben Braden - 3* - Starter
Blake Bars - 3* - Never panned out
2013:
Patrick Kugler - 4* - Key backup (?)
Kyle Bosch - 4* - Off field issues
David Dawson - 4* - Key backup
Chris Fox - 4* - Career ending injury
Logan Tuley-Tillman - 4* - Off field issues
Dan Samuelson - 3* - Never panned out
2014
Mason Cole - 4* - Starter
Juwann Bushell-Beaty - 3* - ???
2015
Grant Newsome - 4* - Looking like Starter
Jon Runyan Jr - 3* - ???
Aside from the starter level guys needing an extra year or two and a new OL coach to get to anywhere near their potential, there's not a lot ot fault there. Fox got hurt after he committed and Hoke, to his credit, stood by the offer. '14 was a tiny class because of the huge '12 and '13 classes, so 2 OL is actually about right given other needs. The only guys that missed completely were 3* guys that, well, that just happens with the lower rated guys.
In fact, I'm not even convinced that we have that much of a depth issue at all here. We can suffer 2, maybe 3 injuries on the line and probably be ok. Kugler and Dawson have both looked decent to good in scrimmage, even if they couldn't push past the starters yet. If Bredeson is as good as advertised, then you have another option before things start getting hairy. That's a situation pretty much every college team finds itself in.
August 17th, 2016 at 12:38 PM ^
Submarine hype and coachspeak caveat aside, it really seems like 2 out of my 3 big concerns this year are already being mitigated:
- QB sounds like it's a battle, but it's a battle because both are at least solid/competent and the issue is which one to go with, as opposed to having both really struggling with nobody being even a competent starter. Silver lining is that if the QB battle is realy that close, our back-up situaiton is not a major drop off if our starter somehow gets hurt.
- Our worry about OL depth is already potentially mitigated by Bredesen. Even if he doesn't displace Newsome or Kalis as a starter, we are no longer looking at death on the OL just because we can't identify an adequate 6th man in case of injury. It does sound like we have a "lost generation" of OL guys. The LTT, JBB, of the world won't see playing time & it's likely to go right from Sr/5th years to next year RS Freshmen and Soph. with the exception of Mason Cole. But the point is with Bredesen and some of the young guys it seems like "the cavalary has arrived" and we won't be 100% depleted at OL next year once these guys graduate.
- That only leaves my 3rd (and least imporant) worry, which is a weak LB corps. Haven't heard much about it so far this camp, but considering the dominant DL and the great secondary we have, this can largely be papered-over if we don't suffer major injuries on the defense this year.
August 17th, 2016 at 1:34 PM ^
I'm happy that Dawson was getting some run with the ones. I know Kalis had a boo boo but I had high hopes about Dawson being a hoss at guard. It's good to have some decent depth.
August 17th, 2016 at 2:17 PM ^
My opinion about worry #3 is that if nobody is talking about it, then that is great news.
August 17th, 2016 at 10:00 AM ^
DiNardo: "You worry about Guard, Center, Tackle after you figure out who the best five are"
Is that really how it works?
August 17th, 2016 at 10:14 AM ^
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August 17th, 2016 at 10:19 AM ^
If DiNardo thinks it.....then nope.
August 17th, 2016 at 10:24 AM ^
/s
August 17th, 2016 at 10:42 AM ^
August 17th, 2016 at 10:49 AM ^
Yeah, every year there is discussion about moving people around -- usually it is to get the best 5 on the field.
August 17th, 2016 at 11:48 AM ^
Essentially...that's why Harbaugh has no issue recruiting a class of 20 OT's this year and why you often hear about guys practicing at both OG and OT positions in camp.
August 17th, 2016 at 5:02 PM ^
You take 7 of the top 30 offensive tackles in american high school football and you make them your army. They are the best athletes for lineman and can move and defend guys like Bosa. That's the guys you want pancaking linebackers and safeties all across the board. Me likey!!
August 17th, 2016 at 8:12 PM ^
I always thought that a good center needed a certian skill set to play the position effectively. Then again the highest level I played was two years of highschool, and our coach was a jackass.
So he could have just been speaking out of his buttocks.
August 17th, 2016 at 10:02 AM ^
I missed it last night on BTN. Thanks for posting the videos. Good stuff!
August 17th, 2016 at 11:05 AM ^
Gary sighting at 1:19, and Magnuson actually kinda wins the rep. (!)
August 17th, 2016 at 8:00 PM ^
Dem helmets... Dey b sexay!
August 17th, 2016 at 9:59 AM ^
"Don't get frustrated 'cause we're going to be one of the best defenses in the country" - Peppers
FUCK YEAH!!!
August 17th, 2016 at 8:24 PM ^
Too much humility from the man.. They are going to be the best defense in the country... Period.
August 17th, 2016 at 11:01 AM ^
Reminds me a little of Denard, always smiling, until its time to make someone pay.
August 17th, 2016 at 1:37 PM ^
Brian Mo-nay? Or Brian Moan? I think I was always going with the latter pronunciation! Somebody please correct me!
PS...Would be sweet if it was Brian Money
August 17th, 2016 at 6:54 PM ^
Mo-Nay is the proper pronounciation.
August 17th, 2016 at 8:26 PM ^
I'm just going to call him Dave.
August 17th, 2016 at 9:46 AM ^
not new, but I missed the BTN broadcast, so thanks.
August 17th, 2016 at 9:58 AM ^
August 17th, 2016 at 10:07 AM ^
Thanks for posting these sir!
August 17th, 2016 at 9:46 AM ^
August 17th, 2016 at 9:54 AM ^
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August 17th, 2016 at 10:21 AM ^
If he's thinking of his hot wife, who is the old hag on his arm?
August 17th, 2016 at 10:27 AM ^
I'm old enough to strike up a conversation. Ask where she spends her winters. Etc. The hell not?
August 17th, 2016 at 11:19 AM ^
Don't forget to ask, "What do you want for breakfast?"