The NBA gets a lot of hate, but every basketball fan should try and see a game with at least one good team in super close seats at some point. It's simply amazing how insane the athletes are.
Eh, we're used to it. Roy definitely works the refs more than Beilein (almost impossible not to), but the most intense it'll get is a "daggum it" after a truly appalling call.
This. If we're in a world where people inexplicably don't leave for the draft despite it being in their best interest then Michigan gets knocked off even earlier by one of the several teams full of ridiculous 5 star seniors.
I mean... Sure. And the 2014 team would've won the whole damn thing if Hardaway and Burke stayed. Duke would be pretty damn good right now if they had Brandon Ingram, Luke Kennard, and Jayson Tatum to go along with their three freshmen.
I believe it is, because I definitely remember a string of awful posts being made by users with 500-750ish points a year or two ago that resulted in people wanting to move the cutoff to 1000.
FWIW there was definitely a blog post by Pomeroy on his site at some point saying you can't use the stats in that way since they're adjusted for each individual season, not all time.
Not me. I don't know any other remotely popular message board that doesn't automatically turn link type things into clickable links. A good chunk even automatically embed Tweets from a simple web address too.
At this stage you can get rid of the "just" in that sentence. There's a lot of work to do on his form. 23% shooter from three on 26 attempts last year in high school according to MaxPreps. Didn't shoot a three in 6 EYBL games (Thanks to UMHoopsFan on umhoops for the stats). Matthews seems to be a pretty good comparison right now.
Right. But that's not what the comment said. The OP said Burke and Walton could match Z's defense, which... No. the guy you're replying to was arguing against that. Nobody said Z is a flat out better player than Burke.
Look at how the fan base is reacting to this game. Look at the players. Read Grant Perry's quote from "View From The Sidelines." Look at the national perspective. Look at the rhetoric surrounding the program from those national people. Consider how different these things would've been if we had won. You're *seriously* gonna sit here and try to say the game was completely meaningless?
Maizen's new profile (Ketchup McPasty). Seth, Brian, someone, if it's at all possible I implore you guys to try and figure out a solution to allow IP banning for guys like this and "His Dudeness." It's been making the board extremely toxic lately.
If recruiting "hasn't taken off like you had hoped" then it's because you want Michigan to get the players that Beilein will never recruit. We will never pay a guy as long as he is coach. Mid 4 stars like Johns, Simpson, Walton, Poole, etc. are the perfect guys for Beilein and with Bajema and Wilson in the next class it looks like he is prepared to continue along this path.
If we do happen to grab a player above that level it'll be the Wagner and Iggy types who are in completely different situations than most high school recruits and aren't ranked as highly despite being clearly above that level. That's not to say we'll never get a 5 star commitment. There'll probably be another McGary at some point. It'll never be a consistent thing, though. Given how much he's accomplished I am perfectly fine with that.
Not to mention the OP's point doesn't even make much sense if you ignore that we'll never pay players under Beilein. Here's a list of players since coach has been here who have started a decent amount of games in their freshman year (if they didn't start the majority of games it's noted):
Kelvin Grady
Stu Douglass
Zack Novak
Darius Morris
Jordan Morgan
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Evan Smotrycz
Trey Burke
Glenn Robinson III
Nick Stauskas
Mitch McGary (started final 8 games)
Derrick Walton
Aubrey Dawkins (started 13 games)
MAAR (started 13 games)
Kam Chatman (started 15 games)
Ricky Doyle
Ignas Brazdeikis
Sorry for the long ass list, but the long ass list should tell you that the very core of OP's post is just completely wrong. Beilein has started 17 true freshmen for at least a decent chunk of the year in 12 seasons as coach.
-15 via Orion Sang on twitter. Teske played 32, Davis played 7, and I guess Livers must've gotten a minute at the 5 where we were +2.
Part of the issue was Matthews' foul trouble forcing Beilein to play Livers at the 3 almost exclusively. Not much he could've done there given the roster makeup. I think this is a case where you can definitely look back and question that part a bit though. An unathletic, lumbering center who was known in high school as a back to the basket guy seems like a really bad fit in a Beilein offense, especially when Teske is the other big in the class. It seems like a raw athletic rebound/dunk type guy would've complemented him a bit better. Oh well, Teske and Castleton project to be quite the duo next season and we've already blown out 3 legit teams despite those concerns this season.
This is a game that will end up being a quad 1 victory to the committee and it provided valuable close game experience in a hostile environment. Everyone predicted a game like this would happen eventually and we survived it with a win. The schedule lightens up at a perfect time too. We have a chance to fix those holes that NW poked in us against a stretch of teams that probably aren't able to expose them very well. Perhaps we can start getting Johns comfortable too.
I try and stay optimistic regarding sports, but Davis is in his junior year and if he isn't a Big Ten level player at this point then he probably won't be during his career. His inability to jump 12 inches on the failed alley-oop came at a really bad time.That's fine in the future, Davis got coached by one of the best staff in the country and will probably enjoy success as a grad transfer center for a decent mid major due to his redshirt year, but it's too bad regarding the current situation. I love Johns' potential though and I think it'll be a game changer if we can get him going by the start of normal Big Ten play. Next year hopefully Castleton will be ready or Jaron Faulds (Columbia transfer, 300's level recruit now walking on to Michigan) can provide some good minutes. Go blue.
At the same time, Indiana is incredibly injured right now and definitely not at the same level that they were to start the year.
It's a kenpom tier A win either way, so I'll just take the fact that we overcame dumb Evanston voodoo and be thankful that we don't have to play there again for a year.
The Purdue game was a sellout. Sometimes pockets of corporate tickets don't wind up going to clients for whatever reason. Too much work, not enough interest, etc. There's nothing you can really do about that mid-season.
Seems overly confident to me. Purdue was on the wrong side of close game luck away from home against two great teams (VT and FSU are 14th and 16th on kenpom, respectively). Purdue is 12th. This team will have a brutal shooting day against an opponent good enough to take advantage of it at some point this year and Purdue could absolutely be the team who does that.
Putting Roy Williams in with guys like Cal and K is really odd. He's made a living off of four year guys and the UNC fan base has been complaining for years about not getting one and dones despite being a blue blood. Nassir Little only came because Arizona got caught trying to pay him. Their starting lineup has two generic three stars (Johnson, Maye), a fringe top 100 guy (Williams), a guy not in the top 125 (Brooks), and Coby White, who was in the 50's when he committed before shooting up. Their bench has three scholarship guys who were 200's-300's recruits (Platek, Manley, Huffman. edit: Huffman was 300's before the scout merger but appears to be in the 190's now). I'd argue we had just as much talent as UNC with Little being the only player we couldn't match in the rankings.
The people who predicted MSU to run away with the conference with no competition remind me of the people making awful Harbaugh takes. They're just talking about stuff they don't understand or aren't looking at the full picture.
Less political than certain past posts, sure. Definitely not apolitical though. I don't care if it's posted, but they should at least change the section in the ethics page so as to not contradict themselves.
It specifically says on the ethics page that the rule applies to Brian too.
Again, before the hate brigade comes, I am not saying that they "can't post" political stuff here. I'm just saying stop kidding around and get rid of that whole page since it's clear that the ethical values of the site's crew have changed. Nothing wrong with that.
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The NBA gets a lot of hate, but every basketball fan should try and see a game with at least one good team in super close seats at some point. It's simply amazing how insane the athletes are.
Eh, we're used to it. Roy definitely works the refs more than Beilein (almost impossible not to), but the most intense it'll get is a "daggum it" after a truly appalling call.
Matthews is 75.3% at the rim per Torvik.
"Basketball is by far the best for many, many reasons"
*Fails to, ya know, give any of those many, many reasons.*
"We saw NC play - they don't understand what defense is."
14th in adjusted defensive efficiency.
"Rappers today lack individual style."
I pray you're not referring to Big Boi, part of one of the most iconic groups of the 90's and early 2000's.
This. If we're in a world where people inexplicably don't leave for the draft despite it being in their best interest then Michigan gets knocked off even earlier by one of the several teams full of ridiculous 5 star seniors.
I mean... Sure. And the 2014 team would've won the whole damn thing if Hardaway and Burke stayed. Duke would be pretty damn good right now if they had Brandon Ingram, Luke Kennard, and Jayson Tatum to go along with their three freshmen.
What's the deal with Trice's mom? I tried googling but didn't find anything, somehow I missed that story.
I believe it is, because I definitely remember a string of awful posts being made by users with 500-750ish points a year or two ago that resulted in people wanting to move the cutoff to 1000.
No worse than literally any school in the country.
That's not true at all... AdjDE is adjusted on a season by season basis.
FWIW there was definitely a blog post by Pomeroy on his site at some point saying you can't use the stats in that way since they're adjusted for each individual season, not all time.
Not me. I don't know any other remotely popular message board that doesn't automatically turn link type things into clickable links. A good chunk even automatically embed Tweets from a simple web address too.
Poking*, but yeah. Conference seasons like this one this far into a coach's tenure rarely end with s job.
Mario needed to learn that a ball was hit *well* rather than good. Damn did that kill the grammar nazi in me.
One random guy says Washington.
Appreciate the contributions, Matt. Thanks for doing your best to keep us updated.
"good scorer-not just a shooter."
At this stage you can get rid of the "just" in that sentence. There's a lot of work to do on his form. 23% shooter from three on 26 attempts last year in high school according to MaxPreps. Didn't shoot a three in 6 EYBL games (Thanks to UMHoopsFan on umhoops for the stats). Matthews seems to be a pretty good comparison right now.
Considering the amount of embedding needed for this post I completely understand the gaffe on attempt #1. Take your upvote.
Right. But that's not what the comment said. The OP said Burke and Walton could match Z's defense, which... No. the guy you're replying to was arguing against that. Nobody said Z is a flat out better player than Burke.
Really enjoying the basketball content on the recent podcasts. Keep up the good work.
Look at how the fan base is reacting to this game. Look at the players. Read Grant Perry's quote from "View From The Sidelines." Look at the national perspective. Look at the rhetoric surrounding the program from those national people. Consider how different these things would've been if we had won. You're *seriously* gonna sit here and try to say the game was completely meaningless?
Four years in, not bad :)
Maizen's new profile (Ketchup McPasty). Seth, Brian, someone, if it's at all possible I implore you guys to try and figure out a solution to allow IP banning for guys like this and "His Dudeness." It's been making the board extremely toxic lately.
Until the mods are able to IP ban it remains a somewhat pointless endeavor.
I guess it gets rid of him for a week until his new account gets 100 points.
I read the 14/15 shooting splits for Adrian Martin as "fourteen out of fifteen" and was really confused when you said "on 41 shots. Not a typo!"
Good preview, I'm excited for the opportunity to see if Johns can work his way into the rotation.
I thought HAIL was an app that the athletic department uses to try and get students to go to more games. Apparently I am not up to date on stuff.
This too. Take my comment as more of a "when they commit" reflection of their ranking.
If recruiting "hasn't taken off like you had hoped" then it's because you want Michigan to get the players that Beilein will never recruit. We will never pay a guy as long as he is coach. Mid 4 stars like Johns, Simpson, Walton, Poole, etc. are the perfect guys for Beilein and with Bajema and Wilson in the next class it looks like he is prepared to continue along this path.
If we do happen to grab a player above that level it'll be the Wagner and Iggy types who are in completely different situations than most high school recruits and aren't ranked as highly despite being clearly above that level. That's not to say we'll never get a 5 star commitment. There'll probably be another McGary at some point. It'll never be a consistent thing, though. Given how much he's accomplished I am perfectly fine with that.
Not to mention the OP's point doesn't even make much sense if you ignore that we'll never pay players under Beilein. Here's a list of players since coach has been here who have started a decent amount of games in their freshman year (if they didn't start the majority of games it's noted):
Kelvin Grady
Stu Douglass
Zack Novak
Darius Morris
Jordan Morgan
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Evan Smotrycz
Trey Burke
Glenn Robinson III
Nick Stauskas
Mitch McGary (started final 8 games)
Derrick Walton
Aubrey Dawkins (started 13 games)
MAAR (started 13 games)
Kam Chatman (started 15 games)
Ricky Doyle
Ignas Brazdeikis
Sorry for the long ass list, but the long ass list should tell you that the very core of OP's post is just completely wrong. Beilein has started 17 true freshmen for at least a decent chunk of the year in 12 seasons as coach.
Was just gonna post this. The solid "homophobic arrogant asshole" combo.
Don't pretend like this is remotely close to anything I said.
Whoops, I meant 32 for Teske, that was a typo. My bad, edited.
-15 via Orion Sang on twitter. Teske played 32, Davis played 7, and I guess Livers must've gotten a minute at the 5 where we were +2.
Part of the issue was Matthews' foul trouble forcing Beilein to play Livers at the 3 almost exclusively. Not much he could've done there given the roster makeup. I think this is a case where you can definitely look back and question that part a bit though. An unathletic, lumbering center who was known in high school as a back to the basket guy seems like a really bad fit in a Beilein offense, especially when Teske is the other big in the class. It seems like a raw athletic rebound/dunk type guy would've complemented him a bit better. Oh well, Teske and Castleton project to be quite the duo next season and we've already blown out 3 legit teams despite those concerns this season.
This is a game that will end up being a quad 1 victory to the committee and it provided valuable close game experience in a hostile environment. Everyone predicted a game like this would happen eventually and we survived it with a win. The schedule lightens up at a perfect time too. We have a chance to fix those holes that NW poked in us against a stretch of teams that probably aren't able to expose them very well. Perhaps we can start getting Johns comfortable too.
I try and stay optimistic regarding sports, but Davis is in his junior year and if he isn't a Big Ten level player at this point then he probably won't be during his career. His inability to jump 12 inches on the failed alley-oop came at a really bad time.That's fine in the future, Davis got coached by one of the best staff in the country and will probably enjoy success as a grad transfer center for a decent mid major due to his redshirt year, but it's too bad regarding the current situation. I love Johns' potential though and I think it'll be a game changer if we can get him going by the start of normal Big Ten play. Next year hopefully Castleton will be ready or Jaron Faulds (Columbia transfer, 300's level recruit now walking on to Michigan) can provide some good minutes. Go blue.
At the same time, Indiana is incredibly injured right now and definitely not at the same level that they were to start the year.
It's a kenpom tier A win either way, so I'll just take the fact that we overcame dumb Evanston voodoo and be thankful that we don't have to play there again for a year.
Nothing like fighting fire with fire!
The Purdue game was a sellout. Sometimes pockets of corporate tickets don't wind up going to clients for whatever reason. Too much work, not enough interest, etc. There's nothing you can really do about that mid-season.
Seems overly confident to me. Purdue was on the wrong side of close game luck away from home against two great teams (VT and FSU are 14th and 16th on kenpom, respectively). Purdue is 12th. This team will have a brutal shooting day against an opponent good enough to take advantage of it at some point this year and Purdue could absolutely be the team who does that.
Putting Roy Williams in with guys like Cal and K is really odd. He's made a living off of four year guys and the UNC fan base has been complaining for years about not getting one and dones despite being a blue blood. Nassir Little only came because Arizona got caught trying to pay him. Their starting lineup has two generic three stars (Johnson, Maye), a fringe top 100 guy (Williams), a guy not in the top 125 (Brooks), and Coby White, who was in the 50's when he committed before shooting up. Their bench has three scholarship guys who were 200's-300's recruits (Platek, Manley, Huffman. edit: Huffman was 300's before the scout merger but appears to be in the 190's now). I'd argue we had just as much talent as UNC with Little being the only player we couldn't match in the rankings.
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Welp, that whole "let's get on Belleville's good side" thing didn't last long lol. Worth it if it's for Harrison and Karlaftis.
The people who predicted MSU to run away with the conference with no competition remind me of the people making awful Harbaugh takes. They're just talking about stuff they don't understand or aren't looking at the full picture.
Still, this result was... unexpected.
"Look at me! Look at me! I'm so funny!"
Some day people will learn LeVert's name...
Less political than certain past posts, sure. Definitely not apolitical though. I don't care if it's posted, but they should at least change the section in the ethics page so as to not contradict themselves.
It specifically says on the ethics page that the rule applies to Brian too.
Again, before the hate brigade comes, I am not saying that they "can't post" political stuff here. I'm just saying stop kidding around and get rid of that whole page since it's clear that the ethical values of the site's crew have changed. Nothing wrong with that.
If Franklin is alive after listening I will be disappointed.