|06/22/2018 - 9:52pm||No, his comments are much…||
No, his comments are much more subtle than that, Qmatic. Have you noticed that he's never once responded to my direct questions concerning his motivation? Neither has Milk. You wouldn't call him a troll? How about an agitator, then? Do you remember reading about these types in history? They'd infiltrate a rival political party with the intent of demonizing and discrediting the rival party, often times by inciting violence so that their real party had the public justification to lash back violently.
Here, Bluey/Maizen/Milk are doing the same -- although not violently. They know damn well what they're doing -- they're portraying the fanbase of the University of Michigan as obnoxious and unwelcoming, and trying to paint a picture of the Harbaugh being on the disliked and on the hotseat. I've asked repeatedly, and politely, for his (their) motivation, and I get nothing. He drops a match in a pile of leaves, and only comes out to fan the flames, never to actually engage in discord. It's one thing to be honestly concerned, it's another entirely to feign concern at every turn, but never really come out an say what his true motivation is. This is sophisticated trolling. He's not doing it to get a rise out of us, or because he's pathological, he's doing it because he's trying to discredit Harbaugh and Michigan.
Unfortunately, it seems to be working.
|06/22/2018 - 9:04pm||Ok, I agree. Now what? …||
Ok, I agree. Now what? What does me, or anyone, or everyone in here agreeing with you, or Bluey, have to do with anything? Is it concerning? Sure. But again, so what? Here we are collectively concerned and wringing our hands together. What now? Is all that friction we're creating together going to actually do anything? It's not like we can get a ballot initiative going and force our collective discontent into the public discourse. People ARE reading what Bluey (and now your, apparently) are saying. But, we're powerless to do anything about it expect sit back and see how it all plays out. As such, the ire that comments like this generate, at least from my perspective, is that it just become like dealing with a petulant child. "Dad, I'm hungry!" "Ok, good ... I am cooking dinner right now ... it'll be done in a few minutes." "But, dad ... I'm hungry NOOWWWWWWW!" I mean come on. We get it already. Things have taken an odd turn, at least on paper, of late. None of us know how it'll all turn out, and we'll just have to wait and see. Constantly saying how concerning it is isn't going to do anything about it, and is downright irrational.
|06/22/2018 - 8:51pm||Of course, Milk, everyone…||
Of course, Milk, everyone realizes that.
I'll ask you the similar question to what I've ask Bluey: how does a group of Michigan fans on a blog finally admitting that, "that not all commits are a good thing" have to do with what's actually happening with the program? You speak as if somehow we are the ones making the decisions. Further, do you think that expressing ones discontent with a recruit's commitment and/or the over all state of recruiting in general has an effect on recruiting, and if so, is it positive or negative?
I ask because it seems to me that for people who profess to want the best for the program, and for the program to do better in recruiting, continually and publicly railing against the recruits themselves and to those who have no ability to do anything about it either way, seems irrational. On the one hand is the overall "tone of the fanbase" as perceived by the recruits themselves. Whether you believe that they read or care about what is said in here is irrelevant, it's a public airing of discontent (not to mention insensitive and down right obnoxious) and makes me think of the old British WW1 poster stating, "loose lips sink ships." On the other hand you have a "preaching to choir" situation, but also a "I agree, but what do you want me to do about it?" thing going on.
Maybe and Bluey, should be directing your ire at someone, like the AD or Coach himself, who can actually DO SOMETHING about the problems that you point out. Sure, this is a place for discourse, but at this point I find it hard to believe that it matters so much to you that everyone believes that you believe (because, in reality, what difference would that make anyway?), so I am forced to believe that you, and Bluey, know EXACTLY what you're doing and are nothing more agitators bent upon portraying the fanbase as disgruntled as loudly as publicly as possible because you actually hate Michigan.
|06/22/2018 - 7:54pm||Bluey,
Thank you for…
Thank you for finally stating your position, somewhat. I don't think anybody really disagrees with the facts that you post, but with the conclusions that you draw, and (most importantly) with the motivation behind the expression of those conclusions. You're obviously entitled to your opinions, and although I disagree with many of them, I do understand why you're so focused on recruiting. What I don't understand, however, and have asked you repeatedly (politely, with no response), is what is it that you're trying to accomplish by always jumping to point this out? My concern is you take data (opinion free recruiting facts), form an opinion (not fact) about that data, and then extrapolate yet another opinion about the future outcome that have yet to come to pass -- in this case, Michigan is recruiting some 3*'s, this sucks and should be better, and as such, Michigan will NEVER win anything.
For example, just above you closed with, "But as it stands right now, this program is in deep shit if that [landing more elite recruits] doesn't happen and that's the cold hard truth." This sentence perfectly displays what I am talking about. There are no qualifiers like, "I believe ... " or "in my opinion ..." that open a discussion, and then to make matters worse, you end with "... and that's the cold hard truth." No, Bluey, it is most definitely NOT the cold hard truth. It is merely an opinion. Again, you're entitled to it, and I think many in here would be willing to debate/discuss that opinion with you, but that doesn't seem to be what you want from this medium, at least not in my opinion based upon what I've seen.
There have been plenty of other posters who come in continually wringing their proverbial hands and expressing their concern for how things are going. But, usually, they are looking/hoping to hear from some of the more informed insiders to quell their fears. Your posts have a different feel entirely, IMO, which is why I keep asking about your motivation. If others are asked why they keep bring up their concerns, they usually say something to the effect of, "because I am scared the program that I love is NEVER going to make it back to national prominence again e because ..." You say you love Michigan, and want us to be the best, but the way you continually state that it's NEVER going to get better. Add to that this obsession with Harbaugh's salary and I cannot help but question your motivation.
What is it that you're trying to do when you post, because it feels to me that you have an agenda, you just never come out and state it. Please don't say, "for Michigan to get better ..." Although that might be the ultimate desire, there is something else that you want, something that you believe is standing in the way of Michigan attaining the success you want. You said you were "over the moon" when Harbaugh was hired, as was I and most everyone. But, now it's seems you're hellbent upon building a case against him. I don't know if I can recall you every pointing out something he's done that you like, or agree with, or that you think will contribute to Michigan's success. For me, and perhaps others, it's becoming a bit transparent, which is why when I respond to you I don't debate the facts you raise, but your motivation.
Why not just cut the pretense and come out and say what you're tap dancing around; that you want Harbaugh fired? If that truly isn't your motivation, I have to ask -- again -- what positive effect do you think your posting patterns could possibly have on the situation?
|06/21/2018 - 9:30pm||This whole "Michigan Man"…||
Let me clarify my position a bit, if you will indulge me. I do not believe, nor do I believe that the current Michigan AD/Administration believes, that only a "Michigan Man" should control the football program. What I intended to convey by bring up Harbaugh's legacy as a Michigan Man was what I believe would be the perception of the coaching community from outside of the program looking in if Michigan were to grow impatient with Harbaugh and fire him -- again, barring a debacle and/or scandal.
To me, in Coach X's mind it would go something like this:
"Whoa, Michigan fired Jim, I'd love to coach at Michigan, but, ... they fired their hometown boy, who I happen to know is one of the best coaches around, because he was unable to win fast enough for their liking. Do I really want to go into that kind of environment?! Maybe Michigan is the problem, not their coach."
This is what I think about when people make statements like, "Harbaugh had better get it done this year or else ..." Or else what? That's why I stated that Michigan went ALL-IN when they hired Harbaugh. He needs to be given as much time as necessary (again, barring several complete debacles, and/or scandal) to get the program "back on track" (where ever that is). How long is that? Well, I'd submit that he already has, but to be honest, I don't know as it depends upon what one's definition of success is.
Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your perspective, success at Michigan is, and always will be, defined by beating OSU -- who just happens to be arguably the most consistently successful football program, perhaps of all time, but certainly of the last 20 years. So, the real question remains, how many loses will Michigan tolerate against OSU before Harbaugh is let go. Again, I don't know. But, what I do know is that Michigan faced a backlash with the coaching community for how it was perceived RIch Rod was treated -- who would want to step into that environment? Brady Hoke, that's who. Why? Because it was like getting a date with a Super Model to him.
All I am saying is that Michigan reached for the stars, and nabbed one. If he's not winning fast enough, or not winning the right games, let's just be patient. Rather than start issuing ridiculous ultimatums lest we find ourselves right back in the mess we just climbed out of -- thanks to Jim Harbaugh.
|06/21/2018 - 8:31pm||^^^ This!!!
Michigan expects/demands their athletes “play school” while OSU, Alabama, Clemson, etc. do not — if you don’t believe me, Jon Ross, just ask the esteemed T. Pryor.
In the spirit of 100% transparency, I don’t know that I really blame those that choose the path of the least academic resistance. When I was a 17-18 year old, if I were an elite football recruit with the aspiration and a legitimate shot at the NFL, I probably would have chosen the path of least resistance as well.
Michigan is trying to be more than a football factory for those that choose to come to Michigan. That is enticing to some elite prospects, and somewhat of a deterant for others. Further, Michigan does not employ bagmen, nor use a myriad of dirty recruiting tricks like other schools do. All one has to do read about how this has effected Michigan Basketball recruiting — ie, Coach B runs the cleanest program in the nation according to other coaches — to see a similar effect on the football program.
“You mean I gotta play school and you ain’t gonna pay me shit, or give my mama a house?! Welp, Roll Tide!”
Now, all that being said, I’m not naive enough to think that competeing for and winning NC’s isn’t a huge factor in recruiting the elite. But there is, in fact, a Michigan difference.
|06/21/2018 - 10:54am||I'd love to see that level…||
I'd love to see that level of recruiting too -- I think everyone would. However, with apologies for sounding pessimistic, I don't think Michigan will ever recruit that well. Personally, I think it's an academic issue more than a football issue -- Michigan is looking for a certain type of student-athlete both on the field and off. Every program is looking for, basically, the same guys on the field but Michigan is looking for those guys who can compete in the classroom too.
I am not saying that Alabama, OSU, and Clemson don't have players who excel on and off the field. But, at least from what I understand, those programs pay lip-service to the "student" portion of the student-athlete, while Michigan does not. Now, Michigan isn't at the level of Stanford, Northwestern, or the Service Academies, but we're a lot closer to that than we are to the near complete lack of academic requirements of OSU, Alabama, et. al.
|06/21/2018 - 10:25am||Everyone is aware of it,…||
Everyone is aware of it, Bluey -- and not just because your efforts to inform us. But again, for like the third or forth time, what is that you propose WE do about? What is your motivation behind these posts? Are you just "keeping it real?" If, to a man, every MGoBlog member posted something to the effect of, "Yes, Bluey, you're 100% correct, Michigan is underachieving on the field and in recruiting!" Would that make you satisfied?
Again, what is it that you're trying to accomplish? Further, and more importantly, forget about us fans, what is it that you think Harbaugh & Co. can do about this? You make this out to be some sort of mass delusion on the part of the fans (as if our opinion means anything) and gross negligence on the part of the Coaching Staff. It's neither, Bluey. It is (if it is in fact a reality to the extent that you state) simply Michigan coming out more than a decade of ineptitude.
So, for the last time, what are you trying to accomplish and what do you think Michigan should and can do to change things? I said in another post, should Harbaugh start Shanghaiing 5* players? He cannot MAKE players come to Michigan.
Please, enlighten us or STFU!
|06/21/2018 - 2:48am||If Michigan’s AD were to…||
If Michigan’s AD were to fire Harbaugh, barring repeated awful (.500 or below) seasons and/or scandal, Michigan will be looked at as a toxic program environment by the top coaches out there. First and foremost, is his legacy — he’s our hometown, All-American hero. Secondly, at least to other coaches, is his ability — which is highly regarded. Add those two and I believe Michigan’s only viable options will be young “up and comers” and I don’t believe Michigan will go for that. That’s my point about being all-in on Harbaugh. If he can’t get it done — leaving the definition of “getting it done” for another discussion — I think the CFB world won’t blame him (again, barring debacle and/or scandal) they’ll blame Michigan as a whole.
This is all really a rhetorical exercise though, as I truely believe the odds of Harbaugh being unable to field highly competitive teams that compete for the B10 annually and occasionally get into the CFBP at very low. ‘15 and ‘16 showed the difference, ‘17 was always going to be a struggle due to the roster and even then they were in every game save PSU. I promise you NOBODY in a position of power at Michigan is concerned in the least — it’s the fans with short memories and unrealistic expectations who are.
Now, don’t get me wrong. Harbaugh himself is NOT satisfied, self-assessed and shook things up. Which is even more reason why the powers that be at Michigan aren’t concerned — especially given what the program has just been through. My assertion is far from ludicrous. To say he’s not the best for Michigan because if he was we’d have beaten our rivals is ludicrous given the comparative recent performance and trajectories of the three programs. Again, the only problem with Michigan football at this time is can expectations not meeting up with reality of the roster deficit that have been plaguing Michigan for a decade.
10 years is only 2 full recruiting cycles — especially when dealing with the OLine. While Michigan was floundering, changing HC’s, OC’s, AD and having entire classes devoid of OLinemen and QB’s, our rivals — especially OSU — were cranking along with none of this nonsense. It’s no wonder we’ve got ground to make up.
|06/20/2018 - 8:53pm||Bluey,
I asked this of you…
I asked this of you before in another thread and I was ignored. I think everyone gets that you're unhappy about Michigan's recruiting -- I think there are a lot of people in here who feel the same.
My question to you, however, is do you think that continually posting about your disappointment is doing anything to help the situation. Or, are you just assuming the role of "Chief of the Keeping it Real Police?" As others have said, we ALL want Michigan to do better in recruiting, and we ALL want Michigan to do better against its rivals. But, what can be done about these trends?
This snarky, "you just don't like hearing bad news ..." meme that you proffer is somewhat disingenuous, IMO. It's not that we don't like hearing bad news, it's that what possible SOLUTION does Michigan have at this point? This is why I ask. You complain about things -- many of which you're right about -- with your only comment being along the lines of "Harbaugh make $7MM/year and he should do better." Ok, fine. Let's say I agree. What then?
That's what I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around, and why it seems you're taking some perverse delight in not only the collective frustration, but also the ire that you elicit from many on the board. Unfortunately, that's basically the EXACT definition of an internet troll. So as I ask before, how about you lay it out there for us all to understand. Tell us what you think is going on beyond, "recruit better" and then tell us what you think Michigan can and should do about it.
Personally, I am as frustrated as anyone about losing to our rivals. I am happy, not thrilled, with the trajectory of the program -- 2017 knocked things down a peg. But, I also understand from whence the program has come, and believe that our collective patience will be rewarded. Further, I believe that in hiring Harbaugh Michigan went ALL-IN and that if he cannot succeed a Michigan than nobody can or will. If you disagree with this and think that somehow he is holding back the program, I would like to hear your statement. But, with all due respect, simply posting over and over that you're disappointed is getting tiresome.
So please, let us know what you think. Otherwise, why bother?
|06/19/2018 - 3:00pm||Nothing is wrong with in…||
Nothing is wrong with in-state recruiting ...except for the fact that you and others insist that there is something wrong. It ebbs and flows, comes and goes, based upon a myriad of factors -- most of which we're not privy to. Yet, despite having only a sliver of the information necessary to make an actuate assessment, the pessimistic and self-flagellating Michigan fan continues to make the sky out to be falling and THIS year to be an OR ELSE year. Every year is import, as is every class. Every school hits and every misses some of their targets. Good lord has this fanbase become disappointing.
|06/19/2018 - 2:51pm||Amen to this Jonny!
Amen to this Jonny!
To me, the entirety of the "Recruiting Site Class Ranking" is at the heart of the Michigan fanbase's frustration and polarization -- we're being jerked around from the Hype side to the Underachieving side of the discussion. The fact of the matter is, it's neither. Every program -- yes even OSU and Alabama -- has "can't miss recruits" who don't live up to their billing, and walk-on's with no offers who become integral team leaders. We see over and over again how these rankings are used to disparage the coaching staff for missing, settling, or not developing players.
It's pathetic to me, and I wish the recruiting sites would just disappear all together.
|06/16/2018 - 11:30pm||Your post is so fraught with…||
Your post is so fraught with assumptions it’s pathetic. First, we’re not “getting our ass kicked in instate recruiting. Secondly, you’re assuming that this kid will not eventually commit and sign with Michigan. Then, after assuming the first two are true (which is dubious at best), you’re assuming that Harbaugh & Co. (I’m assuming you’re talking about them) are ambivalent about these two (dubious) assumptions. Then comes the crowning jewel of your assumptive tiara; the assertion that this assumed ambivalence is evidenced by the fact that they aren’t doing anything about your first dubious assumption. Lastly, the entire web of assumptive logic (aka, horseshit) is supported by the assumption that a) there is, in fact, something that they could do, but are not, to make instate recruits come to Michigan ; and b) that you would be privy to whether they were or weren’t doing that something.
Maybe Harbaugh & Co. should start Shanghaiing players to placate certain elements of the fan base who believe that EVERY instate player MUST go to Michigan or it’s a huge failure on the part of the coaching staff. Michigan as a school and a program isn’t for everyone. The sooner you come to grips with that the less hand wringing you’ll do and maybe you’ll enjoy the program a bit more.
|06/16/2018 - 6:59pm||Bluey,
Please see my…
Please see my comment below. Do you think that by telling everyone, incessantly, that things WILL NOT BE FINE that you're helping them be fine? If someone chooses to believe that, despite the class ranking last year, Michigan football will be fine, why does it bother you so much? I get that one could have a debate about whether recruiting rankings matter, but as I ask below ... What is it that you're trying to accomplish in here?
|06/16/2018 - 6:32pm||Ok, you're concerned. We…||
Ok, you're concerned. We get that. I, for one, however, am dying to know what it is that you think your constant ridicule is accomplishing? Do it help you better deal with the personal frustration to lash out as you do? Do you think that by being the loudest "voice of discontent" on the most popular Michigan blog/message board that Harbaugh & Co. are going hear you, and that they're going to step up their efforts to address the problems that you're so adept at pointing out?
I would have an easier time actually believing that you are what you profess to be if you tempered some of your negativity with at least some positivity. Maybe if when Michigan gets that sought after recruit you came on and said, "Good job! Let's do more of that!" one might be able to believe that, although you're disgruntled and frustrated, you're at least objective and honest when you profess to be a Michigan fan.
So again, if you please, give us Bluey's Manifesto and help us all understand what it is that you're trying to accomplish with your all anti-Michigan/Harbaugh-all-the-time persona. If you're going trot out the tired, "I am just trying to keep it real ..." line, then please explain to me why it is that it matters to you so much if people are keeping it unreal. Just cut to the point, please. Do you want Harbaugh fired? What is it that is going to make you happy and turn you back into a guy who, according to your own admission, loves Michigan? Is this persona that you display here real? Do you behave this way with other things/people that you profess to love? Do you believe, honestly, that the way you post and act in here is actually helping the situation? Lay it all out there, please.
If you won't, I think that your refusal/silence is a pretty strong admission that you're nothing more than a 100% disingenuous troll worthy of being shunned and banned.
|05/28/2018 - 10:39pm||^^^
IMO, all the good they
|05/20/2018 - 11:00pm||Less talent maybe 2 out of||
Less talent maybe 2 out of those10 years — 2015 and 2016.
|05/20/2018 - 4:29pm||Jimmy’s and Joe’s often||
Charles is neither correct nor incorrect — it’s simply his opinion, albeit an informed opinion.
Jimmy’s and Joe’s often (usually) trump X’s and O’s — never clearer than The Game last year! Make one play for the love of Yost and it’s a big win for Meeeeshigan! The game plan was great, guys running free all over, but the players couldn’t get it done when it counted most.
On can criticize preparation, scheme, play calling, but even with last years disappointing results and how good OSU was, iit all came down to a transfer 3rd string QB being unable to execute. It’s got to be nice to take over a program with elite QB recruits stacked up like cordwood, as opposed to having very little to work with. Although it’s pure speculation, I think the season turns out differently if Wilt stayed healthy. Obviously, we’ll never know. But to act as if a coach isn’t putting his all into winning when down to JOK is a bit much, IMO.
|05/19/2018 - 11:36pm||It’s very easy to be better||
It’s very easy to be better when the rule book doesn’t apply to your team. Further, OSU should be better than Michigan given the comparative trajectories the two programs took leading up to this latest period in the rivalry.
OSU was winning B10C’s and an NC under JT, who seemed poised to take his place next to Woody, while Michigan was stagnating and festering internally. Michigan continued to trend down and reached ahistorical lows while OSU continued to thrive. Then, just when it seems scandal might knock them down a peg or two and allow Michigan to catch make up ground, they come out smelling like a rose and Michigan experienced a dead cat bounce.
Harbaugh has done everything but win The Game. Close doesn’t count, everyone gets that. But let’s not act like Michigan didn’t have a lot of ground to make up nor that the gap hasn’t been closed to almost nothing. Be better! Sure, yeah. Playing on a level playing field would be a start.
|05/17/2018 - 8:26pm||Perhaps you’re right.||
Perhaps you’re right. However, once that opinion is decided upon, it’s 100% objective from there on out. Again, simple solution. No other sport that I can think of rewards teams (like Alabama and OSU) for NOT playing and NOT winning their division/conference. Every other sport, pro or college, has an objective measure for its championship. Level the playing field ... win and you’re in ... lose and you’re out — 1AA does it.
People carp about a full CFB playoff format cheapening the regular season. Well, not if your ONLY chance of getting to the playoff is winning your conference and the ONLY way you do that is by playing every team in your conference. Again, simple and fair. Why shouldn’t the MAC Champion (or any other G5 champ) have a shot?
|05/17/2018 - 6:42pm||The source of the “whining”||
The source of the “whining” is the opinion element of the equation. The voter system was pure opinion, then the BCS took that opinion and matched 1 vs. 2. Now, we’ve STILL got nothing but an opinion. Why can’t we have something without opinion, an objective measure that doesn’t require a committee or some popularity contest based on money?
For example, a playoff of ONLY conference champions? If that were the case neither the 2017 Alabama NC not the last OSU NC would not have been possible because neither was a conference champion, and UCf would have been in the playoff. Simple solution.
|05/17/2018 - 3:24pm||IMO, the problem with the CFP||
IMO, the problem with the CFP is that it’s gives the guise of inclusiveness, but, as last years exclusion of CFU and inclusion of Alabama exemplified, it’s still just a big money grab dominated by the major conferences. The conferences, with their bloated budgets and overpaid executives, have absolutely destroyed CFB all for ever greater profits. CCG’s are pointless, and not playing your entire conference annually is ludicrous. I used to think the old bowl/AP Voter system was bad, but this is worse. There is no criteria, no standard when the obvious standard — first and foremost, being a conference champion after having played every team within your conference — is right there but those in control won’t do it because that’s not the most lucrative path.
|04/23/2018 - 4:59pm||This is completely false. In||
This is completely false. In fact, it’s been discussed many times that OSU uses a very similar system. I think you’re remembering Hoke’s disorganized shit show, not Harbaugh’s system. Every program has times when the play isn’t in ontime — even the New England Patriots have to call time out on occasion.
If presnap adjustments are not made it’s because the QB is incapable or not yet allowed that much freedom. We repeatedly saw Rudock late in ‘15 audible, and Wilt was getting good at it before he got hurt.
So, you’re totally off base!
|04/19/2018 - 11:34am||Through all the down time||
Through all the down time Michigan has experienced the one position group that has continued to excel on the forked and recruiting has been DL. So I’d say yes, you’re the only one concerned (or should be). Coach Mattison is the best in the business and the staff has shown they know what there looking for.
|04/12/2018 - 2:01am||This common meme that refs||
This common meme that refs should or shouldn’t make calls based on the situation in the game is nonsense — make the right call ALL the time, regardless of the game situation. People complain about refs deciding games too often but not calling a blatant foul (which this was, IMO) because it’s stoppage time is just the other side of bad coin.
To wit, US National Side at Azteca during WCQ, not one but TWO blatant violent elbows go unpunished within the opening minutes of the match. Both deserving of red cards, but I cannot help believing that the ref didn’t make either call because he couldn’t imagine ejecting a Mexican player, in Aztecs, during the Hex, in the 3rd minute of the game. Further, I have to believe the offending player believed this as well and was emboldened by a lower likelihood of getting a (deserved) red card.
If there’s an obvious call, make it, regardless of the consequences — that’s what the rules are for and why the refs are there to enforce them. Michigan has been on the short end of many of those sticks (NC v Louisville, ‘16 OSU game), to say the ‘89 NC shouldn’t a foul is insane. It’s called over and over because, and shouldn’t be “let go” because it’s late in an NC game.
|04/01/2018 - 9:53am||I never jest, and don’t call||
I never jest, and don’t call me Shirley!
|03/31/2018 - 10:52pm||Everyone needs to relax and||
Everyone needs to relax and let the ruling play out.
I don’t believe that Michigan’s attorney miscalculated anything. Quite the contrary, I think they’re being cagey, projecting weakness, and luring Ole Miss into making the one decision that is almost guaranteed to make the NCAA rule in favor of immediate eligibility. Give your opposition just enough rope to hang themselves. If Ole Miss plays nice and doesn’t comment, maybe the NCAA is placated and sympathetic. But, if they act in way that is explicitly not in the best interest of the student-athletes, and continue to refuse to express any sort of contrition, the NCAA must rule against them. Further, once they’ve taken the bait, continue to publicly claim your legal team was out manuvered and caught off guard, thus further emboldening them and encouraging them to tie that noose.
Sun Tzu would be proud.
|03/24/2018 - 4:56pm||Although I know you’re being||
Although I know you’re being snarky, we do have our best people handling the situation. I’m not really sure what there is left to say. There is nobody else in the world that is better for Michigan than the coach we have right now, and as we’re seeing, he’s got the willingness and humility to self-critique and adapt. What more do you want?
If you said you were a long time season ticket holder, how’d you feel in 2007? What about the RR years? Or Hoke’s tenure? Were you pleased with the first back to back 10 win seasons in years? I want results too, it the fact that they’re not there yet only goes to show me how far down the program had sunk since 2007.
Chin up! We’re on the right track.
|03/24/2018 - 1:22pm||Calm down, Beavis!
Calm down, Beavis!
One less than ideal season — which was slated from Harbaugh’s first day as HC as a likely “rebuilding year” — in which the team was down to a 3rd string QB, and people act as if it’s a personal afront to them. Do what you gotta do, and say what you gotta say, but be certain in one thing: Coach is doing everything he knows to do from a lifetime in football to make it better, all so you can stop pouting.
|02/17/2018 - 1:58pm||No, with all due respect,||
No, with all due respect, what you need is some perspective. ‘15 and ‘16 should have given you hope for the future, and ‘17 should have been anticipated given the roster cycle. If last year crushed your hope, which it seems to have done, it’s because you glossed over important facts and set unrealistic expectations.
Pessimism is infectious.
|02/17/2018 - 1:53pm||There is nothing “factual”||
There is nothing “factual” (aside from anticdotal facts) in Brian’s post — it’s merely a lazy, emo, post in which he arbitrarily dismisses information that doesn’t fit his negative narrative. Then, to make matters even worse, he proclaims that it likely won’t matter anyway because he’s the 10th assistant which didn’t exist before. So what? Maybe, this is the missing piece, the Don Brown of the offense. If that’s the case (which I think is equally as likely as abject failure) then THE DECIDING FACTOR was that which was dismissed as meaningless.
Maybe Brian did a deep dive on his readership and found that being negative and whining about every aspect of the program is actually MORE LUCRATIVE because the trolls and bitching users generate more page views or hits, or whatever they call them these days. Someone said it below, none of us know anything for certain. Yes, we can express opinions, but to me, Brian’s niche has been his ability to frame his opinions as such, and ask the reader to form their own. Here, he all but proclaims disaster. It’s a stark departure, and one that I’m very disappointed in. I’m not asking for pom poms, but just a measured take on something we all have very little information upon which to form an informed opinion.
|02/16/2018 - 4:23pm||^^^ This!!!
Every play, every
Every play, every coach, every recruit, every comment is construed in the worst possible light by a large portion of this board. They shit on everyone and everything and then wonder why there is a negative cloud seemingly surrounding the program. We got through the dark years and got Our Guy, and yet people in here proclaim their impatience and dissatisfaction constantly.
STFU and stop talking about shit you know nothing about! Let the coaches do what they do, and support the team, fer fok sake!
|02/16/2018 - 4:11pm||^^^ this!!!!
We suffered through the Horror, the Oregon Debacle, 3-9, 3 and Out, broken ineptitude records, ConcussionGate, and on and on and on. After one mediocre season, with our Chosen One Coach, so many are lowering the life boats, and now it seems Brian is pulling that block and tackle with all his might!
I’m disgusted by the state of the fan base and this site.
|02/16/2018 - 4:03pm||*sigh*
This is pathetic.
This is pathetic. Brian has been infected by the Maizen Bitch virus. Sad. So very sad.
You’ve succumbed to the “not happy unless you’re miserable” so many in here exude.
For a successful blogger Brian sure seems to have lost all sense of self preservation and direction. Reading this was like reading a eulogy of a one time thriving website. You’d better get your shit together, and get some treatment for that virus, unless you’re planning on looking for a job sometime soon.
|02/09/2018 - 11:39am||^^^ This!!!He knew he cost||
He knew he cost his defense/team a bundle when he got flagged (for a foul that doesn’t exist ... but that’s just a minor detail /s) and he can not tolerate that.
Overall, I think Coach has built a “brain trust” of people he respects and he’s going over everything with a fine toothed comb on the offenseive side of the ball. He’s “self-scouting” and pouring over film to find the solution(s) that can work with his roster.
The fire Pep and Drevno meme needs to die now! They’ll get it straightened out, but it’s clear that Coach opted for continued continuity as he probably felt that the issues were (possibly) overall schematic and organizational, not due to a lack of coaching talent.
I’m highly optimistic that we’re seeing a more cerebral Coach, a more measured and methodical Coach, not one who is losing his zeal for the job — which I think is a very good thing. I think people forget (or are simply ignorant of the fact) that these are real-time decisions, and that making changes mid season with limited practice time is very tough to do, and often leads nowhere good. I hate to keep repeating it but 2017 was ALWAYS going to be a tough(ish) year roster wise. It was pointed to as a near term low, and although it remains to be seen, it seems to be playing out that way.
Let’s let Coach and his guys do what they do without freaking out at every turn, ok?
|01/27/2018 - 4:53pm||With the same (or||
With the same (or substantially the same) offensive roster, I’d agree.
I promise you everything you complain about was coached at the highest lever possible all year long. It’s up to the players to step up and make the plays.
|01/27/2018 - 4:42pm||Yes, I do. But, that was||
Yes, I do. But, that was before the concussion incident and before I was under the impression we were going to hire Jim Harbaugh. Once that became possible I changed my opinion. I reserve to right to do so once new information comes to light.
|01/27/2018 - 4:36pm||Harbaugh didn’t play Peters||
Harbaugh didn’t play Peters because he wasn’t better. Simple.
That’s why taking TWO QB’s every year is so important. Is having a guy take bit longer to mature unprecedented? It was Peters or bust, and Peters lacks something but he HAD to play because JOK. Clusterfuck! Is that Harbaugh’s fault? Somewhat. Might have been nice to have time to recruit more QB’s so there’s a better chance of talent worthy of early playing time.
But, I think many ascribe WAY too much on coaches. Players play, ballers ball. Make plays, like Chuck. All the coaching in the world comes down to making a fucking play! Want to talk about excuses? Why is everyone always making excuses for the players? I think they blame themselves. There have been many many many plays in all three seasons that were fabulous play calls where if one guy made a play it’s huge. We lament the wasted talent of Denard but he made plays over and over and over despite play calling.
Peppers, another guy. Greatest athlete maybe ever at Michigan, but left us all wanting for more. Did he get his chances to try? Fuck Year he did. Over and over and over but the players COULD NOT BEAT THEIR MAN WHEN THEY HAD TO! Is it stupid to put the ball in your best athlete’s hands? That’s all Meyer does, but his players, as you’ve all pointed out, ARE BETTER and they perform. This years OSU game was perhaps the creme de la creme with open WR’s and TE’s all game. But many think giving the ball to Peppers was “bad play calling” ... not if someone MADE A PLAY!
You cannot MAKE players do anything. He/she has to do it. Coaches put players into position and players make plays. Coaches have to find a way to bring out that will and consistency. I saw will, just no consistence ... at QB. OL wasn’t great, but rushing improved DESPITE having no passing games. QB play is everything. Michigan’s QB situation was chaotic at best this year, and lack a true baller like Denard.
If you guys want to can a Coach after an aberrant QB year like this, well ... be carful what you wish for.
|01/27/2018 - 3:32pm||When there are receivers||
When there are receivers running wide open reapeatedly, yes? X’s & O’s only do so much, the players have to execute. Nothing I saw was too complex, it was just the guys trying to excute kept missing reads
|01/27/2018 - 3:26pm||Most definitely I think||
Most definitely I think talent is, and has been, the “issue” with Michigan since well before Harbaugh arrived. Most significantly, talent at QB and OL. It’s not hard to see. When Wilton Speight is the best QB on your roster you’ve got problems. Does a coach taking 3 transfer QB’s in three years seem normal, or like something indicative of a roster loaded with QB talent?
Harbaugh cobbled together a pretty productive offense by the end of ‘15 with Jake as QB. In ‘16, but QB play Michigan might be in the playoff. This season, Speight regressed (IMO) because he was being asked to take the next logical steps in the offense and he just isn’t that kind of “fast learner” kind of guy, and he lost his go to receivers. However, we didn’t get to see whether he would have turned the corner or not before he was out for the season. If he did, this season might have been a whole lot different.
|01/27/2018 - 3:08pm||You’re proving my point with||
You’re proving my point with your inane repetition of platitudes and memes — you’re just emotional. You don’t understand why, so you lash out. It’s a common reaction to a lack of understanding. In a desperate need to have some clarity, you grasp at the simplest, and most aggrsssive, solution (to show that you REALLY mean business) and fire someone. You can’t fire the players, and you seem really annoyed by the millions the coaches make, so go all in on Team Fire Drevno and Pep. You (and your ilk) make threats about tickets and issue forth dire proclamations about what’s going to happen if what YOU think is the solution (even though you only have HALF a solution) isn’t implemented. On and on you guys blathered, acting like hard asses, spouting buzz words like accountability, and lacing them with ultimatums. All this in attempt to protect your emotional investment and give you an out should you be let down again.
My question is, if your wrong and no changes are made (which there still could be) and the offense is better, will you eat crow?
|01/27/2018 - 2:53pm||If only it were that simple.||
If only it were that simple. But, unfortunately, it’s not. Fans are able to operate in this binary world where everything is either good or bad and any bad requires axing the culpable offender. Again, it just doesn’t work that way. As I said above, the Fire Drevno and Pep meme has swept the board like the flu. Nobody is happy with the offense, least of all the man i charge of the offense. There can be MASSIVE changes without tossing out all the staff and starting anew. This incessant desire to remove and replace is bordering on pathological.
Let’s see what shakes out. If there need to be changes, let’s let the guy at the helm decide because he’s got all the information (and experience) needed to make an sound decision.
|01/27/2018 - 2:44pm||Oh no there is a reason why||
Oh no there is a reason why it was so unproductive. I, for one, contend that YOU and your cohort of axemen don’t know what that reason is. Further, that the one person who DOES KNOW, whom the university pays to know, is stating (by his inaction thus far) that he disagrees with your assessment.
If Drevno and Pep were the reason for the lack of production, unequivocally, they would be replaced. The problem is that it’s not that simple no matter how often nor loudly uninformed fans say that firing so and solves the problem. With your limited (at best) view of the situation you boldly proclaim it’s all staff and it’s not being fixed. Ok, if you say so. I’ll take a wait and see position and until I see otherwise I have to assume that Harbaugh is handling it and that he knows what is best.
|01/27/2018 - 12:21pm||and what is that problem?||
and what is that problem? Maybe Frye? He’s gone. Admit you know nothing and are grasping at straws abs the easiest straw to grasp is to fire someone.
|01/27/2018 - 12:18pm||You obviously weren’t||
You obviously weren’t watching all that closely, and/or don’t have a clue what you’re looking at when you do watch. You’re right, it’s cliche as fuck. You’re just so emotional tied to Michigan that you must lash it at something. Every play that “doesn’t work” is met with more and more ire, yet you never tone down that ire when a play call was brialliant but the player(s) just failed to execute. It’s all black and no white for you and many in here.
|01/27/2018 - 11:41am||Shhhhhh, the adults are||
Shhhhhh, the adults are talking.
|01/27/2018 - 11:38am||^^^ This !!!!
The “Pep and
^^^ This !!!!
The “Pep and Drevno Must Go!” meme cannot die soon enough, IMO. None of you guy beating this drum have any inkling of a) whether there is, in fact, a problem; b) if there is/was a problem, what that problem actually is; nor c) what Harbaugh & Co. are doing to rectify the problem(s). Your solution is fire, fire, and fire again. Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn’t the coaching staff and ‘17 was an anticipated roster lull that, although frustrating, is best handled by maintaining continuity and allowing the roster to grow into the scheme a bit more.
Personally, I saw A SHIT TON of plays that were absolutely perfect, but the players weren’t able to execute. Is that coaching? I guess on some level, but maybe this season they’ll execute — after having learned from their mistakes — and the offense will be a monster. So many discount that Drevno was OC the previous years when the offense was marked more productive. Did he suddenly forget X’s and O’s or might it have had something to do with the relatively inexperienced Jimmies and Joes?
|01/20/2018 - 5:05pm||But aren’t all you||
But aren’t all you dumbledicks saying it’s the COACHING STAFF not the players, that he’s got enough on the roster to win NOW?!
Which is it?!
|01/18/2018 - 6:19pm||A bunch of Michigan fans||
A bunch of Michigan fans taking news and reading it through a lens of negativity?! Will wonders never cease! Seriously though. This is another example of the self loathing Michigan fans exhibit. If an article came out basically saying Drevno was reported to have refused to take responsibility for the past season’s lackluster performance, he’d be shit on. When he takes responsibility for last season’s lack luster performance, the sky is now falling, or he’s shit on for not doing it sooner. As I find myself asking in here too often, “which is it?”
|01/18/2018 - 5:56pm||Auto correct||
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