|02/20/2019 - 2:27pm||I get that Livers might have…||
I get that Livers might have a playing time complaint; Poole does not.
Past that, I don't follow what you might be hinting at as far as the problem that is not being addressed? I mean this team has offensive problems because Matthews is the only elite athlete and very few guys can create their own shot. Obviously both Matthews and Simpson are not good shooters, particularly from 3, so it's a problem but that's not going to change. Iggy certainly could learn to drive and dish. But anyway, I'm not sure what exactly the problem is or the solution that they would be looking for? Does he aspire to Carson Edwards type usage?
|02/20/2019 - 2:15pm||But that's true of every…||
But that's true of every shooter and plenty of guys can get hot. Sure, it was great when he was lighting it up at 59% on 3s between Thanksgiving and New Years but you also can't ignore he shot 28% for the rest of the season. In the long run, and the NBA's 82 game season is a long run grind, he was a 36% shooter last year and he's a 38% shooter (433rd nationally) this year. And it drops to 31% in conference play this year. That's above average but nothing special. I do think he is a better pure shooter than he is an effective shooter. He forces bad shots more than most IMO. He also gets stuck with too many end of shot clock moments and while he should be looking to drive and get contact instead of trying to do the crossover -> the step back 3s in some of those moments, part of that is our overall offensive limitations this year (and tempo). I don't want to seems too harsh because he's got talent and is a solid player but his game is not fully developed and there are so many wings out there competing for a limited # of first round spots-- not the same as for bigs or point guards. So it's tough and he doesn't quite have truly elite athleticism, nor size, so I think he needs to be an elite shooter to make it. Don't quite see it yet.
|02/20/2019 - 1:58pm||Which ones? I haven't seen…||
Which ones? I haven't seen him in any although most draft blogs will assume he stays another year. Seen Iggy and Matthews, usually as 2nd rounders but haven't seen Poole much.
I agree that anyone who probably will be a first round pick should go.
|02/20/2019 - 9:23am||That would be a stretch…||
That would be a stretch. Poole's a solid player and may develop into a quite good player but there's nothing special about him at this point. A shooting guard with 20% usage who hits 38% on threes needs to have some other exceptional attributes since his production is nothing special. He's average as a defender and a passer. While he occasionally shows some creative moves while slashing, he doesn't get to the rim that much and his handles are loose which result in a lot of TOs. His shot selection is often poor and he's fallen in love with the step back 3, which is a shitty low % shot for everyone besides James Harden. Good height but a thin build. I mean, don't get me wrong, he's a nice player at the college level and could be a pretty good player if his shot selection weren't poor, but there's nothing to separate him from dozens and dozens of other similar guys in college basketball.
Livers would be an intriguing guy from an NBA standpoint since he's a better (or rather, more disciplined) shooter and he has more size but he needs to show a more well rounded game. I would like to see him get more minutes and take a more prominent role than he is currently.
|02/19/2019 - 4:09pm||lol, love my fellow PiHi…||
lol, love my fellow PiHi alumni but they score 58 but threw it to him once in the highlights. While watching this, it's hard not to think to yourself that yeah, dude never had a chance as a WR given his speed.
|02/16/2019 - 4:21pm||Glad to see DeJulius got…||
Glad to see DeJulius got some minutes, we will need him at some meaningful point given the auto bench. Playing is part of getting better despite the cost. Nice to see Matthews continue the aggressive slashing approach.
Thought the offense was significantly better than it has been in several recent games, and not just the ones we lost. Good ball movement and they didn't run down the shot clock to the end and then put up a low % shot. Only one real force by Poole that I can recall, on one of his stepback 3s. Bottom line is that this is just not a good shooting team and so the production was pretty pedestrian but they got high quality shots today which is about all you can hope for.
Defense was obviously outstanding at 42% on 2Ps. Beat up on the boards again but Maryland is tall and athletic so oh well.
Brando sucks but Flack's Killing Me Softly is an all-time classic.
|02/13/2019 - 9:20am||This is going to be exactly…||
This is going to be exactly like the 2013 PSU game that we sleep walked through and lost, which ultimately (along with that final game against Indiana) costs us a share of the regular season title. It's true PSU really isn't that bad but they're also 1-11. Can't give up Purdue is really well positioned to win the B1G now as they're done with us, MSU, MD, and WI. Stuff happens over the course of a season obviously. But we've already had 3 duds w/o playing any of Purdue, MSU or MD on the road. And with a brutal finishing schedule with 4 games against Maryland and MSU left plus @Minnesota this is drifting towards a 14-6 finish.
Some shitty luck tonight but bottom line is you can't give up 1.14 PPP to a team that is 314th in eFG. And fairly pedestrian with the other 3 factors as well including rebounding, though they destroyed us on rebounds tonight. Some of that was just lack of effort/intensity in the first half.
|02/09/2019 - 2:44pm||Livers is probably the best…||
Livers is probably the best 3 point shooter on this squad and certainly has more disciplined shot selection there than a few other guys. Would love to see him getting a few more shots.
|01/28/2019 - 2:09pm||I feel like the top 6 have…||
I feel like the top 6 have established they're a cut above the group after that. I tend to think Duke and Gonzaga might be slightly above the rest but all 6 seem capable of winning a national championship. Other teams can too, but would have to play above their weight, which in modern basketball means hitting a lot of 3s.
|01/27/2019 - 3:36pm||Key loss, thanks Purdue, and…||
Key loss, thanks Purdue, and Fuck Sparty.
|01/27/2019 - 11:39am||If we're putting wacky ideas…||
If we're putting wacky ideas on the table, how about the concept that if the first team to possess the ball scores a TD, you then give the other team the ball, but limit the total # of plays to what the other team took to score? Since the Patriots had a methodical drive, the Chiefs get the chance to do the same with an additional drive length capped at 10 plays or whatever the # was. Or if the Pats had scored in one long TD pass then the Chiefs only get one.
|01/22/2019 - 10:52pm||Poole in made sense since he…||
Poole in made sense since he's the only one who can shoot FTs. But yeah, still need a ballhandler.
|01/22/2019 - 10:41pm||It should be allowed, but…||
It should be allowed, but people just need to frame the transfer or firm handshake in a tactful way.
Wrong way: "Dude sucks and we could use the schollie"
Right way: "Since he hasn't played much because he's been behind stellar players like Winovich and Gary and couldn't accrue much game experience it might be in his interest to seek playing time elsewhere or in the team's interest to focus on young players for the future."
And no rumors from a bar.
|01/22/2019 - 10:31pm||So you think 3 or maybe all…||
So you think 3 or maybe all 4 out of DPJ, Black, Collins, and Bell are going to be gone after next year? Because that looks like it's what it would take for Martin to be #1 or #2 in 2020 as a junior.
|01/21/2019 - 3:48pm||Morgan got calls for the rim…||
Morgan got calls for the rim protection charges where guys would just slide underneath and make it difficult to score at the basket. Those were significant contact, unlike that weak flopping on an off-arm push off bullshit. It's true the charging calls at the rim were out of hand everywhere back then and stymied creative finishing at the rim. He was definitely guilty of that, but no more so than every other post-defender who lacked the NBA-level athleticism necessary to contest/block at the rim. Which was why they put in the restricted zone, which I think happened partway through his career and reduced that problem a fair amount.
|01/19/2019 - 5:28pm||Need more ball movement. But…||
Need more ball movement. But in the end, this team is a pretty meh shooting team and that creates other problems with spacing. It is what it is at some level. The flip side is these guys are way better defenders.
|01/19/2019 - 5:22pm||Eh. Poole sometimes forces…||
Eh. Poole sometimes forces questionable jump shots and Iggy tends to force the drives and then just throw it at the rim in those moments. They're all good players but it is true that no one on this team has either the raw athleticism or refinement in their game at this point to play hero ball effectively. Would just assume see Simpson running high pick and roll with Teske in those situations. Need more ball movement too, rather stagnant. But they'll be fine overall in the end.
|01/19/2019 - 4:40pm||Can't turn it over 24% of…||
Can't turn it over 24% of the time given that this is a mediocre shooting team.
Just one game and a tough one. But MSU is playing very well and has picked up 2 good road wins already plus the one loss lead. With our tough closing schedule, we're going to have to win these 60/40 games like @Iowa and @Indiana if we are going to win regular season title. Might need to win both of those now.
|01/18/2019 - 11:28pm||They're solid but #43 so i…||
They're solid but #43 so i wouldn't get too excited over that win. Playing competitively in that maui loss to Duke is probably Auburn's best achievement so far.
|01/18/2019 - 2:59pm||Not buying Auburn yet, they…||
Not buying Auburn yet, they haven't beaten any really good teams and have 3 losses which is good but not outstanding against that schedule at this point.
I generally sympathize with the skepticism on SEC teams not named Kentucky. But Tennessee beat Gonzaga and Louisville on neutral courts, went to overtime with Kansas when they still had Azubuike, and has no other losses. All indications are they are legit.
|01/12/2019 - 4:39pm||"consultant in a coaching…||
"consultant in a coaching capacity".........Translation: we recognized the potential for a shitstorm and structured it in a way where we can claim she's a consultant rather than an employee if we have to cut bait. Knew there was an issue but still went forward anyway but handled the PR reactively.
She's obviously also dramatically overqualified for an assistant coach job, but she still took the job anyway, which demonstrates her association with Nassar is too toxic for her to get the high level type jobs that her resume would otherwise support.
|01/07/2019 - 12:52am||Dawkins always figured for a…||
Dawkins always figured for a bench player type role given his recruiting profile and Doyle wasn't even close to a top 100 guy. Think they were what like #400 and #200 each in ratings which is pretty low for B1G hoops recruits. The weird one was Chatman since he's probably the highest ranked recruit we've had since the 2013 season but looked completely lost during his time here.
|01/07/2019 - 12:45am||I think Alabama wins and I…||
I think Alabama wins and I could not give a shit either way.
|01/07/2019 - 12:40am||He looked about like you'd…||
He looked about like you'd expect a freshman with skills to look. He's fine and it looks like he's now passed Davis. This was a very positive development since we lack quality depth for bigs especially if Teske has fouls and he's by far the best hope for someone who isn't playing now to make a meaningful impact the rest of the year. His performance was the most positive thing about today in terms of possible implications for the rest of the year.
|01/06/2019 - 1:01pm||Guy has good but not great…||
Guy has good but not great stats, lacks mobility, has an arm that's fine but nothing special, and he plays in the MAC. His production as a fourth year player is less than what O'Korn put up as a freshman at Houston and we saw how that skillset translated to a higher level of competition. Good for him for having a good career and making a major contribution to his school. But this is hardly a drop the mic situation as the OP was presumably right about Jackson > Malzone, but there is nothing to indicate he'd be a successful QB against P5 competition. But maybe he'll grad transfer and you can say I told you so next year and hand out some L's.
|01/06/2019 - 12:57pm||That team was made up of…||
That team was made up of guys who would go to Duke now and be one and dones. Four first round draft picks. Rice was a 15 year player and multiple time All-Star. The guy was a 6'8" wing who scored 26/game, shot 52% from 3 and 58% overall at a senior! Vaught was a 16/10 guy in the NBA until he got hurt and still played a decade. Mills was also a decade long NBA players with size and the ability to shoot and put up 15/ppg in the NBA during his prime. Higgins and Robinson had a ton of natural talent that unfortunately they never fully developed. Kirk Taylor was also going to be a great player until he blew out his knee.
The game was a lot different back then but they would have had an insane eFG%, that team could really shoot. Aside from Mark Hughes and Mike Griffin, basically the guys who were getting minutes were all good enough to be NBA starters. The 2019 is probably doing at least as good of a job maximizing their potential as that team did but there's no comparison between the two given the disparity in talent, even once this team is a finished product. Get off my lawn I guess, but yeah, the game was different then since NBA first round picks stayed 3/4 years and Frieder pulled in some insane talent.
|01/06/2019 - 12:35pm||Houston might well lose…||
Houston might well lose before us. They're under 60% against both Temple and SMU so more likely than not to lose one of the two. I do think we both make it to 1/19 and then it's 50/50 with Wisconsin. UVa probably loses at Duke that day.
Ken Pom has us on pace for a 15-5 conference record and we only have 2 games left against teams that aren't top 50 competition. Road games against top 50ish teams are tough, we're going to have several losses.
|01/06/2019 - 12:28pm||No, Illinois lost a game…||
No, Illinois lost a game before that at the end of the regular season so that was their 2nd loss. Though Kentucky did what you describe the year Duke won when Wisconsin beat Kentucky in the Final 4 I think it was. Or Wichita State too but it's a bit different for schools like that or Gonzaga that play in less leagues. Or the 91 UNLV team.
|01/06/2019 - 12:22pm||I can't speak to the 60s or…||
I can't speak to the 60s or 70s but this is the correct answer for best Michigan team of the last 35 years. Although a couple of Frieder's teams that bombed in the tourney like 85 or 86 should also be in the conversation.
|01/05/2019 - 10:45pm||He looks like Speight would…||
He looks like Speight would look if he was healthy and playing MAC level competition each week. But you were certainly right vis a vis Malzone.
Since we're diving into the wayback machine, here's some Kelly Baraka highlights.
|12/31/2018 - 12:47am||Agree with a some of this…||
Agree with a some of this but there is more to the story. One difference was he replaced Dreisbach with Griese (sort of happened late season 96 but over the course of a whole season that was a change from year before). Griese had a higher completion rate, fewer INTs and more TDs so overall a more efficient passing game. Also, Carr did demote Fred Jackson from OC to assistant in an attempt to make the offense better. Perhaps a useful lesson there on dumping an OC who is ineffective, though to his credit Harbaugh did as much with Drevno last year too.
While Mattison's 96 D was pretty stout, Hermann definitely changed up the play calling and style from the prior year. Also, to just say oh we had Woodson short sells that year's improvement a bit since Woodson was there in 96 as a starter too so that wasn't a change. Let's not discount the rest of that defense either, while Woodson is legendary, they also locked down the run at 91 yards per game, 207 yards offense, and 9 points/game. Even an NFL HOF CB doesn't do that on his own and that D was stocked across the Board with fantastic college players like Hall, Renes, Steele, Copenhaver, Sword, Swett, Gold, Dhani, Weather, and another safety who shall remain unnamed.
|12/31/2018 - 12:24am||That's kinda true in a way,…||
That's kinda true in a way, but not really, because ~9990 or so of those guys weren't 6'8" 260 and pretty athletic for that size.
|12/30/2018 - 9:53pm||Or a fact. The 2008 hoops…||
Or a fact. The 2008 hoops team had 2 fringe NBA/DLeague guys in DeShawn Sims and Manny Harris (minus Udoh due to transfer) and we gave serious minutes to Ron Coleman, Kelvin Grady, Jevohn Shepard, Ant Wright, CJ Lee, etc. The cupboard was really bare. Whereas the 2015 football team had Jabrill Peppers, Dymonte Thomas, Jourdan Lewis, Taco Charlton, Chris Wormley, Delano Hill, Jake Butt, Amara Darboh, Jehu Chesson, Chase Winovich, DeVeon Simith, Ben Gedeon, Channing Stribling, Mike McCray, Zack Gentry, Karan Higdon, Tyree Kinnel, Graham Glasgow, Kyle Kalis, Willie Henry, Ben Braden, Maurice Hurst, Ty Isaac, Mason Cole, Mario Ojemudia, Jon Runyan, JBB, Grant Newsome, Erik Magnuson, Khalid Hill, Ian Bunting, Matt Godin, Ryan Glasgow, Jeremy Clark, Joe Bolden etc. Some of those guys are just guys and there were certainly some holes in talent by position or depth but overall that's a lot of talent to walk in to for a rebuild. Harbaugh inherited top 15 or so talent while Beilien was stuck with a roster that was mostly composed of MAC level players.
|12/30/2018 - 9:35pm||The 08 team was worse than…||
The 08 team was worse than 07 of course because Dion Harris, Petway, Lester Abram and Courtney Sims were all gone and the only talent was a young DeShawn Sims/Manny Harris. The 09 team improved. There was a step back in year 3, similar to football in 2017. The 2010 team actually had a worse record than prior year but some of that was bad luck, they had a bad record of like 2-8 or something in games decided by 6 points or less. That team couldn't shoot 3s, get ORebs, or get to the line at all. And then 2011, 2012, and 2013 were all progressively better. The basketball program was a lot more of a mess than the football program and didn't have the resources that the football team gets. Also, Hoke left a lot of talent, especially on defense as the 2017 draft demonstrated. Whereas there were basically 2 serviceable players in Sims/Harris and we were playing guys like Ron Coleman, Jevohn Shepard, Ant Wright, Kelvin Grady, Zack Gibson. Good kids, but not guys who should've been playing meaningful B1G minutes.
With the basketball program, the difference was back to back classes of Hardaway/Jordan Morgan/Burke and then the Albrecht/Stauskas/McGary/GR3/LeVert. That's an extraordinary injection of talent. I guess that's possible but to replicate that, the 2018 and 2019 classes would have to significantly exceed expectations.
It's the same argument as the Dabo Clemson argument. Yeah, it can happen. But for every time that's panned out as well as it did for Beilein or Swinney, there are 50 other examples of where it never blew up like that. So....appreciate the basketball program.
|12/30/2018 - 8:59pm||Yeah, national championships…||
Yeah, national championships are rare and too random to be a good metric. Plus, until Alabama's recruiting is curtailed or the NCAA takes action or schools start paying players above the board it will be very hard to compete with them. On the other hand, conference championships, CFP appearances, the record vs OSU, and the bowl game record is the part where improvement can reasonably be hoped for.
|12/30/2018 - 3:48pm||No ability to run 2 or 4…||
No ability to run 2 or 4 minute offenses and we very seldom play with tempo. And last 2 games have shown we lack urgency when score and time dictate we play quickly. I have to think that the offensive play calling by committee is a key root cause for those issues and our slogging approach to offense in general.
|12/30/2018 - 2:54pm||We lost to OSU by 23 who…||
We lost to OSU by 23 who lost to Purdue by 29 who lost to Auburn by 49. Auburn is thus 101 points better than us, per the transitive property of football.
Shit happens and you have to look at the whole season in context. The champion of the B1G got run off of the field by Purdue which is certainly a worse loss than Oklahoma losing a close game to Texas. You can be a pretty good team and lose a game you shouldn't.
Also, considering OSU struggled a bit with a mediocre TCU team and beat no one OOC, we lost to ND and Florida, PSU barely beat Appalachian State, WI lost at home to BYU, MSU lost to ASU, NW lost to Duke & Akron, and Purdue lost to EMU & Missouri there are a lot of data points that suggest the B1G is nothing to write home about this year.
|12/30/2018 - 2:44pm||Oklahoma doesn't have much…||
Oklahoma doesn't have much talent but DFW is just as close to Norman as to Austin and the amount of talent coming out of Texas is enough to support multiple top programs. The state of Texas has 45 4-stars and 18 top 100 players this year. So geographically I think they are better off than us but it also helps that their primary competitor in Texas has struggled a bit whereas OSU has not in a long-time.
|12/30/2018 - 1:21pm||I don't understand this…||
I don't understand this point of view. So because we hired an offensive coach with a perceived cutting edge offense and it didn't work out that one time it means that it could never work out with other different better (or worse) coaches? It might, might not, but RichRod's outcome is not the only possible outcome. I mean, I think Harbaugh deserves more time and there's still hope for progress, especially with Meyer leaving, but I don't understand the extrapolation from RichRod bombing to all modern offenses being probable failures at M. Even thought they are working fine at the majority of other schools.
|12/30/2018 - 1:00pm||Were we hammering everyone…||
Were we hammering everyone all year? We couldn't move the ball on OSU until we were down 3 TDs in the 3rd. Had 17 against Notre Dame. We put up 20 on NW after scuffling for most of the game. We put up 21 on MSU and ground it out even though their offense had nothing. Even in our two best wins against WI and PSU, we put up 124 and 144 yards of passing! Body Blows is a concept worthy of an eye roll, but the only time this offense was effective was when we bullied teams with the ground game and then we won games by locking it down on D.
That formula didn't work against talented teams and this offense never showed a capacity to win games with prolific scoring or passing offense. Which isn't surprising since we don't get the needed repetitions in the passing game against the WMUs, SMU, Rutgers, Nebraska etc as we're content to just grind them down. Which works very well against those teams, but doesn't prepare us for situations where that strategy won't suffice. We're the #24 offense on S&P+ and that's before yesterday. It's not the 1980s anymore, scoring 20 points and passing for 150 or 200 yards won't get it done against good teams especially if they commit to stopping the running game and we stubbornly bang our heads into the line repeatedly.
|12/30/2018 - 12:39pm||Kenpom has us as a 30 point…||
Kenpom has us as a 30 point favorite.
|12/30/2018 - 12:26pm||I wouldn't be surprised…||
I wouldn't be surprised either way if he never played in the league or if he lasted a dozen years. He's big and fairly athletic for a TE especially of his height. He'll never be good at blocking but all he has to do is catch the fucking ball and he'd be a pretty useful asset on passing downs in the NFL.
|12/30/2018 - 12:16pm||Countess' grad transfer year…||
Countess' grad transfer year? He's still in the league, surprisingly. Although it is the Rams defense. Your overall point on transfers generally not panning out is definitely true.
Rawls was productive at CMU before getting into trouble (again) though his original departure was off the field reasons too.
|12/30/2018 - 1:12am||Yeah, one point that looks…||
Yeah, one point that looks pretty clear is that Harbaugh is not the QB whisperer that some made him out to be when he was hired. He did a good job with Rudock but he had already learned his craft and was a 5th year. There was only so much you could do with Speight talent wise obviously. But anyway, Harbaugh did a good job developing QBs before M but he was also lucky as shit during his time in California as he had a #1 draft pick in Luck, another former #1 in Alex Smith, and a talented 2nd round guy in Kaepernick. To have basically no competent QB play in his 3rd year and then have to rely on lucking into a bagman fallout 5 star transfer and still put up only 200/yds game with DPJ, Collins and sometimes Black is not good.
|12/29/2018 - 10:59pm||Eh. We went to the Rose Bowl…||
Eh. We went to the Rose Bowl 3 of the first 4 years after we invaded Iraq.
In contrast, once Bob Barker retired from The Price is Right in June 2007, Michigan football has been mostly Citrus-y in our good years*. With a little Sugar 7 years ago.
|12/29/2018 - 7:49pm||OSU's offense though with…||
OSU's offense though with Barrett and Miller has been more of a run oriented spread than what WSU runs. But I do agree an air raid can be pretty successful, but I think you just need to have a quality running game too which Leach teams have not historically had. More open to an Oklahoma style offense where they have better balance and running than what Leach does. I'd take either over Manball.
I don't follow your point on KC since they've lost their last two games or on a longer-time horizon they're 1-4 in playoff games under Reid with the only win in Houston and 3 losses in cold weather. Might be different this year but jury is still out. But NFL is different anyway because they play all thru December and January and since college is all fair weather bowls during that timeframe.
|12/29/2018 - 5:08pm||That's a valid point and in…||
That's a valid point and in the end I'd agree with you that I wouldn't want Leach as coach as he's always had shitty defense and his air raid would struggle a lot more in the B1G with athletes and weather. But if you've been to Lubbock or Pullman you know that he's done a lot with backwater football programs that really haven't had any better success ever than what he has done. Would be interesting to see him at a location where he could attract more talent.
|12/29/2018 - 5:04pm||Clean-ish teams that have…||
Clean-ish teams that have been to NCG/CFP or won a P5 conference championship since Harbaugh was hired:
I wouldn't want to be MSU or USC until they get a new AD (and coach) but the first 3 programs are in better shape than us and in the end because our premier achievement is beating PSU and WI a few times and that one Citrus Bowl win I don't know that we've really accomplished anything that the others haven't. Racking up better records against the Indianas and NWs of the world I guess?
|12/29/2018 - 4:47pm||Mattison wasn't fired, he…||
Mattison wasn't fired, he went to ND of his own accord and pissed off Carr in the process.
|12/29/2018 - 4:27pm||Great. Now all we need is a…||
Great. Now all we need is a DeShaun Watson caliber QB and an armada of bagmen and history will repeat itself.