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06/13/2018 - 3:26pm Outside of those being …

Outside of those being “encouraged” to look elsewhere, the only type of player I could see being a good candidate would be an non-EE incoming Frosh on the OL or DL that is clearly headed for a redshirt due to weight/body development.  Even then I am sure others would use this against M on the recruiting trail.

06/11/2018 - 5:12pm It is a bug of some sort. …

It is a bug of some sort.  Has happened to me one time since the transition.  I closed my browser and the one on my phone and tried about 5 min later and had no further issues.

06/10/2018 - 6:40pm (No edit function anymore?)

(No edit function anymore?)

To add to the above - On last week's Podcast Wiltfong noted re: Keeegan that he had put in his OSU Crystal Ball a while ago and although he has heard that Michigan is trending, he was not going to change it until he had more solid info.

06/10/2018 - 6:34pm I don't think Harrod is a …

I don't think Harrod is a "take" anymore.

I don't subscribe to the pay sites but thought I heard something like "He had a bad spring" on "the Notorious BIG" podcast with Wiltfong and Trieu a few weeks back.  Not sure exactly what that means but since that time I noticed that Sam Webb has not mentioned his name.

IF we get Keegan and still want to take another I would suspect it would be held for a 5-star type like the kid from Kwity Paye's school out east.

06/09/2018 - 1:37pm There is a post about 5…

There is a post about 5 lines down - “How to get an icon for MGoBoard for your IPhone” - that shows exactly how to do this.  Still a little hokey but it works. — (Not meant to be snarky btw)

06/07/2018 - 5:09pm You need to clear your…

You need to clear your browser history - not a computer expert but I saw that earlier and it worked for me.

06/06/2018 - 11:09am I really miss the optimist…

I really miss the optimist version of MGrowOld from the RichRod days....

That said, the reason I suggested he(or she) is a troll is based on history not this one comment.  I cannot recall a single positive comment since Maizen was banned and created “Bluey”.

Also there is a difference between being hive-minded that everything is great and having distaste for the Debbie Downers who insist that everything is awful.  If someone other than Bluey (or a few select others) had posted this OR Bluey had posted this in the context of  “Gotta get on this kid and make sure 2019 does repeat itself!”, I suspect I (and others) would have reacted differently.

To circle back to the RR comment - the part I do miss from that Era was the fight for hope and “grasping for positive straws” in the threads - probably because we were so beaten down as a fanbase.  I can’t stay on the game threads for more than a few minutes anymore due to the despair or ANGAAR anytime the slightest thing goes wrong.  Maybe it’s just a sign that the “Old Michigan” and corresponding expectations are back...

06/06/2018 - 10:52am Tell you what - We can…

Tell you what - We can revisit this kid and his status as poster child for the colossal failure that is Michigan in-state recruiting when/if he signs with another team in either 19 or 21 months.

 

if you are indeed not a Sparty troll, you are at least exemplifying everything that the RCMB uses to vilify Michigan fans in regard to recruiting being the end-all be-all of potential football success.  Try not to be “that guy”.  Am I happy that we are losing out on top rated kids in the state for the 2019 cycle? No, but I am also not claiming that this is the start of the impending doom for the program.  There are many reasons/excuses for the 2019 in-state situation.  I think we will regret losing the Athlete/DB headed to state and the OT heading to Wisconsin but am on the fence regarding Dobbs despite his ranking.

Lack of recruiting prowess has not seemed to limit the folks up in Lansing - pretty sure that haven’t beaten us in overall or avg. star ranking since at least the RichRod days.  However, if this kid represents a condemnation of Michigan what does it say for the clearly dominant in-state school during his childhood?  Is it possibly more likely that his top list indicates he wants to get away from home in college?  Or maybe that he is playing the game and knows that kids that are seen as “locks” to local (non-southern) schools often get a bit overlooked in the rankings?

i am admittedly much more of a “trust the coaches” person than you seem to be but I suggest giving the new staff members (particularly the 2 young aggressive recruiters with strong Midwest ties) some time to work on the 2020 crop of Michigan kids before declaring a failure.

I promise I will try to ignore your posts going forward and leave you to your misery.

 

PS - This kid is showing up as a 0.94 and a 4-Star on 247 to me so maybe disaster averted?

06/06/2018 - 9:45am Better watch your language. …

Better watch your language.  “September Heisman” isn’t a term used much - if at all - on this board but is used quite commonly on the RCMB to ridicule Michigan.  Wouldn’t want to blow your cover.

06/06/2018 - 3:51am If we are creating a “wish…

If we are creating a “wish list” for the new site, I would love a link to the podcasts archive.  Even on the podbean page (linked in the spoof site yesterday) I cannot find the older episodes - particularly the older signing day/season preview ones and the first Harbaugh one - “I think we’re going to be friends”.   I had most of these saved on my IPad but lost them. 

06/06/2018 - 3:42am I’m not quite ready to worry…

I’m not quite ready to worry about a 2020 recruit at this point.

if M has a good season they will get a good look from an in-state kid.

06/02/2018 - 2:10pm Vic wanted to be a QB in the worst way.

Michigan was honest enough to tell him before he signed that it wasn’t going to happen here. Cal ??maybe not so much. Minnesota was desperate so they took a flyer.

My guess is that he figures if he is going to end up at LB anyway, he may as well do it closer to home.

The part I find humorous is that the “casual fans” will think this is a big deal. After all BTN was hyping the shit out of this HUGE GET when Viramontes announced he was coming to Minnesota.

Good luck Vic! But remember you could be a returning starter on a Don Brown defense this season if you had made different choices.

06/01/2018 - 3:35pm As for Kentucky

that guy on staff that we tried to hire as a TE coach 2 years ago is one heck of a recruiter. Lots of kids in the region that are B1G caliber have Kentucky high on their lists.

Sure they lose a decent number when/if the bigger dogs from the B1G/ACC/SEC come calling but he is making it harder for the Purdue/IU/Illinois/Minnesotas of the world and even occasionally MSU or UM.

06/01/2018 - 3:26pm Lewerke may be the single most

Important player on any team contending for the B1G this year. DeWeaver is gone and I was not very impressed by the RS Frosh Lombardi in what I saw of their Spring game. Lewerke “made a lot of chicken salad” out of what his OL and running game gave them last year.

06/01/2018 - 3:16pm Who out there are you SURE

Is better outside of McSorley? We hope Shea will be and the OSU kid looked to be damn good in his short stint vs. M but I don’t see anybody else in the B1G better than Lewerke.

If MSU goes 11-1 and Lewerke looks good he will get Heisman chatter - I doubt Scott will be impressive enough to be the guy and someone from a team with that record is bound to get the hype. (FYI - I don’t see 11-1 happening but if it did...)

Best case for M this year is that Shea lives up to his potential. That potential is basically Brian Lewerke with probably a better arm and maybe better mobility. (Which is why he was a 5-Star and Lewerke was a 3.5-4 star)

05/31/2018 - 4:36pm I’m with you - would rather have Shea..

Plus you would have the whole butterfly effect. With Treadwell M may have done well enough to keep Hoke in our good graces longer which in turn means Brandon may have never been ousted which means no JMFH.

PS - I don’t dislike Hoke, but whatever bump M would have gotten from a talent like Treadwell would have still left us the cliff that was potentially Morris/Speight QB lineup in 2015 and I doubt Hoke would have been able to grab Rudddddddddddock.

05/31/2018 - 2:57pm He is an Alum

of the school and was one of the biggest voices saying “everyone does it”..... ‘Ole Miss just didn’t do it well and got caught iirc. I listen to his podcast most weeks (mainly for his co-host the S&P guy)

He is part of an on-line video documentary that is coming out soon so I am sure he/they are trying to promote interest however they can.

05/31/2018 - 10:45am As with most arguments

there is a middle ground here. I agree that there has not been a “focus” on recruiting Ohio recently - except possibly the Hoke years. Top kids were always on the radar, but the mid-rated kids seemed to be less on the radar unless M had a relationship or the player expressed interest. I would expect this would change going forward based on the regional strengths of some of the new staff. (Also personal opinion - paring down the number of staff members that were not active/enthusiastic recruiters - read Drevno - will also increase M’s ability to cover local and national prospects better.)

Unlike MSU, Michigan does not have to focus on regional recruiting for most of it’s team, and making inroads in places like TX, FL, GA etc. is valuable going forward.

That said, taking a player from M or Ohio does have the advantage of reducing the talent pool for the regional B1G recruiting teams AND there is at least some value to “knowing the rivalries”.

Going forward - unless there is a benefit in addition to the player (I.e. getting an “in” into Grayson HS in GA) - it is probably better to take an equal talent from MI or OH. The caveat is that coaches need to determine what is “equivalent”. I have seen conflicting arguments that kids tend to be overrated in the talent-rich states due to the increased exposure but also that they can be underrated “since you can’t make them all 4-stars”.

Welcome Zach! You made a great choice both academically and for football.

05/30/2018 - 12:35am To be fair

Brian said almost all frosh WR’s suck, but that with 4 of that caliber there was a better than decent shot that one would break the mold.

His bet was on DPJ but it appeared that Black was well on his way before injury.... double the ypg of any other receiver and near the top in total yards despite playing less than 4 full games.

That said, the gist still was Frosh WRs suck...but, but Michigan!!!

Depressing chart - not just the overall numbers but the clear lack of explosive plays.

05/30/2018 - 12:20am I wouldn’t put it that way

but it seems clear that he REALLY wants to go pro ASAP and is waiting to see who opts out to determine if there is any chance. I will admit that my main reason for thinking this is the fact that he opted for UK out of high school; not a choice for someone who doesn’t want a quick route to the league.

I am bummed out that if he goes it doesn’t do anything except hurt the team next year = we were counting on his leaving next year just to take 2 in the next class (and 1 more early departure if we plan on taking 3).

05/29/2018 - 1:30pm I agree and also think regional fans

see the OSU whitewashing and think MSU is closer to that team than their 2017 record indicates. And before some says it... Yes OSU was also blown but #1... at Iowa and #2 they followed that up by blowing out MSU and others. MSU didn’t blow anyone out last year.

What they did/do have is a mobile/escapable QB that managed to cover for an OL nearly as bad as M’s last year. I still believe that if you swapped Lewerke for JOK/RS Frosh Peters, MSU is much closer to 0.500 and M is pushing 11-12 wins last year.

05/27/2018 - 10:15pm The question was about “talent”

Not how good they are or will be in 2018 - at least how I read it,

In that metric - WR isn’t close - DPJ and Black are more athletic than Darboh and Chesson and there was essentially zero behind them, unlike 2018, Frosh Perry is easily surpassed by SR Perry and Martin.

At TE - You may not have a Jake Butt on the roster but you do have at least 3 good to very good players (McKeon, Eubanks, Gentry) as primarily receivers plus Ty Wheatley as an AJ Williams upgrade. I still think we will miss Asiasi - I have little doubt that he would have been an early entry candidate after year 3 under Harbaugh.

OL is probably a wash in regard to talent. I suspect there are several multi-year NFL starters in this line but more obvious question marks than 2016.

RB - wash but probably deeper

QB - Shea, Brandon, Dillon are more talented on paper than Speight (and I would take any of them as the backup over JOK - little did we know in 2016..)

So I think it is actually the Defense that is the bigger ?? here imo. DL is probably a wash - more top-end talent this year and less (proven) depth. LB is close - lots more depth of talent - but would be hard pressed to take Hudson and Bush over Peppers and Gedeon but the McCray spot may be an upgrade this year (versus 1sr year McCray for sure). CB deeper but not sure you can top JD and Stribling/Clark until proven otherwise, and Safety probably a bit worse on the top end though deeper in talent.

05/27/2018 - 4:32pm So I assume this was the “possible 2018 addition”

That the pay sites were teasing about a week back?

More bodies along the OL are always a good thing. Here’s to hoping this kid plays well enough to earn a scholarship in the future.

05/24/2018 - 1:02pm I suppose the ranking as a WDE

By Rivals counts as some diversity......(or was that a typo?)

05/22/2018 - 4:35pm I believe M pursued pretty hard

early on - after all he is a top-level recruit in our backyard - but it seemed to me that there was never really a strong connection either way so M somewhat de-prioritized him.

I don't follow the pay sites but seeing as we have been "out" for a while I sssumed that he included M on his final 5 this weekend solely to make it look worse when he went to MSU.......... Sorry Sparty!!

I did read on the interwebs that DePaul recently hired one of his AAU coaches so maybe his choice makes a bit more sense.

05/21/2018 - 2:27pm Wasn’t Hunter Johnson also

the QB who was at the same HS as Peters and transferred away to get playing time? Sounds like a great future teammate for somebody.

05/11/2018 - 1:59pm Perhaps “Top Ranked Plan A guys” would be more accurate.

As much as I like the lineup you mention, only Iggy had a recruiting profile similar to these two.

Maybe JB has decided that if his under the radar kids are going to be early entries to the draft anyway, he may as well start recruiting some 2-and-done types with the risk that occasionally one might become a 1-and-done.

05/08/2018 - 3:10pm This is a big concern for OSU

in regard to depth - I had read in several spots that Meyer was appearing to keep it a competition as long as possible to try to keep Burrow in the fold for at least this year.

As for your allusion, I would not be surprised to see Peters transfer AFTER this year (as a grad transfer) IF Patterson doesn’t leave for the draft and/or it is clear that McCaffrey or Milton have passed him. It doesn’t make much sense imo to do this any earlier given he has already taken a RS. Plus I still have hopes for BP to succeed at UM.

05/04/2018 - 12:06pm Sad to see Duncan go

Good player and seemingly good person.

Unfortunately my main takeaway from the piece was those awful Adidas shorts that I had apparently blocked from memory until this post.

05/04/2018 - 12:00pm Meh .. I think it is mainly a sign

Of respect and recognition of the program more than being led on and left at the altar. Much like the fact that M was suddenly on everyone’s list shortly after the Harbaugh hire.

This is the first I have heard of this kid but I do know we are seriously going after 2-3 other 5-star types for next year.

05/03/2018 - 11:47am I think that is more of a

“Break glass in case of Emergency” step. They like him where he is and it is his natural position.

I choose to believe the hopeful(?) take that JBB is more of a placeholder at LT until Hudson or someone else emerges. If Hudson is close to even with JBB by the end of Fall camp you let them take the reins and grow throughout the season.

05/01/2018 - 12:52pm Actually I always thought the exact opposite.

I.e. The the ranking services placed too high a value on the NFL potential of players and “measurables”.

04/30/2018 - 5:17pm So looks like we will try for

1-2 more Prototypical Tackles and be done on OL?

Seems like Jones is the only "Tackle-sized" guy thus far - (LOVED the snippets of him from the recent Atlanta Camp BTW) - although as we saw from Cole you don't need the NFL size to be a good college LT.

 

Welcome Mr. Barnhart!

04/26/2018 - 11:18am I believe a team “loses” it’s conference room

When they lose to Rutgers. This applies to both Football and Basketball.

04/26/2018 - 10:26am Well at least we can count on the NCAA to do the right thing.

(Do I even need the /s?)

I swear that if somehow the NCAA declines Shea’s eligibility and approves yet another questionable 6th year for the Spartans, Mark Emmert may find a flaming bag of crap on his doorstep when I am in Indy this fall. (...They can’t do DNA testing on feces these days right?)

04/25/2018 - 5:54pm I think they would have to re-work scholarship limits

with those draft rules. With the average MBB player signing so early you could have lots of situations where a team would have to “cut” a player. I.e. Matthews declares next year - doesn’t get drafted but Beilein has filled his spot.

I suppose you could work a deal where

#1 - you can only return to school one time after failing to be drafted (I think a similar restriction exists currently on the “enter for consideration without an agent” from what I read regarding Mo this year.) and

#2. Allowing a waiver of some sort to go over the limit by 1 (same number of eligible to play players) for one year in the case of a return from the draft with some sort of limit on how often the waiver could be used. Would have to be planned and written carefully as coaches will figure how to exploit it.

Bigger picture I think Brian’s concept of the Hockey/Baseball-style model would be better allowing players to be drafted and “stashed” in college until they are ready but this would require a lot more cooperation between the NCAA and NBA (and G league).

04/24/2018 - 11:12am Read the story maybe?

Other schools have/had dealt with him (M included although I don’t know the timing.)

However, MSU was the only school that was in the midst of a massive sexual assault investigation, was reminded/warned about this man, gave no response to the whistleblower, and apparently did nothing.

04/23/2018 - 4:29pm I am certain the M wouldn’t have offered

if they didn’t think he was a viable piece in a Don Brown defense. Otherwise OSU may have to pony up a Football scholarship to keep him from M, which would preclude them from taking yet another 5-star.....not the worst outcome.

04/21/2018 - 1:17pm Does anyone know if these games are 1s v 1s

or true draft games?

I hope Nebraska was a true draft or they are in big trouble defensively next year. I am seeing a Rich Rod style transition year with a better-suited QB(s) but much worse defense. Not a great sign imo when a true Frosh - no matter how talented - is such a focus on O. Lindsay could be beat up by mid-year with the workload he may be getting.

ND defense looks pretty decent. Wimbush not scaring me so far.

04/19/2018 - 5:33pm Might happen?

Already booked and setup - though I don’t know the details.

04/16/2018 - 4:50pm He has children.

THAT photo of Brian would be terrifying to a small child.

04/16/2018 - 1:13pm I am guessing you might know this anyway, but

This came from a spelling error by a poster a ways back and just sort of stuck as a replacement for “Mods”...

04/16/2018 - 1:10pm Beat ND!

(Did I do that right?). It’s not like we are breaking down specific matchups as to how they will play out in the fall...it’s football and some of us miss ANY football. Plus it is not like I come on here to make fun of you tracking how many times M softball and track have won on the same day in March on a Tuesday when it was drizzling rain and winds were from the SW....(Well I guess I did just then)

04/16/2018 - 1:01pm Moms HELP!?

Posted on my IPadand it showed paragraph breaks. I even edited and added more to no avail.

04/15/2018 - 2:53pm Because some people aren’t

Happy unless they are unhappy......and apparently want everyone to share.

04/15/2018 - 1:57pm Well since Te’Cory is technically off the board

Don can keep saying it.

04/15/2018 - 1:53pm Actually - M is making a hard push for Dobbs

(And a few of his teammates). In this case specifically the changes in the coaching staff were major positives.

04/14/2018 - 9:20pm Let’s see......

8-5 last year with very young team.

Were in every game except PSU even with poor OL and QB play - both of which will be better (or at least not worse) in 2018.

Worst Case QB is RS Soph Peters who was doing at least OK last year given the OL and new starter caveats. (Choosing to blank out the bowl game — which we did have a big lead in anyway.)

Only lose 2 starters of note on either side of the ball.

Defense may be better than last year - possibly best ever under Don Brown — this from the man himself.

Practice insiders say that the offense is “beating” the defense 4 or 5 plays out of 10 in Spring practices vs. 1 out of 10 in Fall 2017.

I’d say those are good reasons for optimism.

Offense was just plain ugly last year - QB and young receivers were a big part of that - exacerbated by sub-par pass blocking by the OL and RBs.

If you want to dig deeper for a good feeling - watch some MSU games from last year and envision how their season would have been without Lewerke - his ability to extend plays and scramble allowed them to be successful with and OL at best equal with M’s and a defense not as good. Now imagine M with Patterson being in the same mold as Lewerke.

04/13/2018 - 4:17pm You mean 1 - 4??

(#Rutgers-ed)

04/12/2018 - 3:33pm MSU knew the name of the student before the lawsuit

as they refunded her tuition when she dropped out due to the stress caused by the incident. This is the most damning evidence of guilt in my eyes.

They are claiming patient confidentiality on the counseling records so it is not clear if the victim ever specifically noted which players were involved. This is beside the point (as is the guilt or innocence of the players) of the lawsuit - it is that MSU grossly mishandled the fact that a claim was even made.