IMO ... things are still evolving (it is year 2) but it seems...
Even higher percentage of top kids are signing early - easily 90%+ - even if they don’t announce until NSD (Q Johnson) or at the AA games (DT Ellis? that went to PsU).
Same goes for MAC level kids. They seem to be signing early to lock in their spots - to avoid having a transfer portal kid take their place. Thus there are less late-risers or backup-plans available to top level teams than under the old system.
Essentially teams are more likely to need to take much bigger “projects” if they still need to add bodies at NSD
Gotta admit I am impressed at the level of self loathing in this post. Goes right past the M shaming and straight for the entire conference....
OSU, PSU, M and even UW would have scored had they made the playoff in the last few years. (I am not sure any would have won a game unless they got ND.)
Not a subscriber to the premium sites but I don't think we should expect anyone new on NSD based on the podcasts I have been following.
Specifics --- Sounds like the RB currently committed to 'Bama situation has cooled - not sure on which end. Kid is looking to take a USC visit this weekend over a visit to MSU that they thought/hoped they would get...(lol). Still a chance to get the grad transfer DT from Houston but unsure what timeline that follows.
General -- Steve Lorenz said on the last MGoPodcast that he was originally pretty sure that M would sign 1-2 new names on NSD but now thinks they may be a bit tight on numbers and will probably stand pat.
FYI -- I think we have 2 "unannounced" commits as opposed to unsigned - It is possible that Hickson from KC hasn't actually signed yet but there are no concerns internally that he won't.
Still frowned upon - mainly because of the negative connotation a “non-renewed 5th year” indicates even if it isn’t blatant like I was trying to do in my example.
I have learned these conjectures (or maybe just me) are normally wrong anyway. I.e. I would have bet decent $$ that there was no way Lo Marshall and/or JBB would get their 5ths last season.
Was thinking the same. I saw that McDaniels was tweeting about being on the road visiting recruits this week.
As far as I know he can only do that as a coach or as an “acting coach” while there are openings on the staff.
To me this means either he is a coach but unannounced (which would mean Pep is gone) OR that he was able to do this up to the exact point that the new DL hire became official.
Day’s offense appears to be predicated on having a pass-first QB like Haskins. Martell is a run-first QB and being well under 6’ doesn’t bode well for his growth as a pocket-passer. He was a great prospect for the Meyer/OSU offense pre-2018 not so much now.
Tathan could very well be an entitled, me-first prick but on the surface (to me) this transfer has a lot more to do with fit than fear of competition or favoritism.
I actually think fans have been raising the bar which now requires the lowering you suggest. How about “still a lot better than Mark Donnal” as a bar or “close but not quite Teske early 2017-2018 season”.
I think Davis can have an important role vs. the MSUs and Wisconsin’s of the world. It also appears that he will struggle - more so than Teske - against smaller/faster teams which is why Livers and hopefully Johns (eventually) are important as well.
Re Dax. Hill: I read on one of the 247 threads that the West team coaches at UA had told the DBs to let the receivers catch the ball in Day One practices. Today would be the day to start hearing ‘bout Dax.
Scott is desperate to impress prior to the NFL Draft. His teammate — who is in better shape in that regard — is sitting out the game. Not Apples to Apples.
Don’t get hung up on the word “respect” try “focus” as the thing they have been lacking.
It has been pretty clear to me (admitted hoops non-expert) that the team has been putting out less effort on the defensive end - at least to start - these last few games.
Side Note: On offense they seem to be lacking ideal flow or cohesion. It feels like they are running plays at this stage versus naturally taking what opens each possession. ——Look for the possessions where they obviously were told “drive to the hoop! Don’t settle for jump shots!” where you get 5 or 6 players driving and kicking in sequence even when they received the pass for a wide open 3 due to the previous drive.
I agree. In a fact I would guess several of the West teams have/will leapfrog the mid tier East teams.
However, if I worked my ass off I could close my gap with Lebron James on the BBall court. Aside from MAYBE scoring a point every once in a while, the end result would not change.
Timing was off for the DB Temple news imo. It has been hinted that ‘Bama May have pushed the Harbaugh to the NFL - (this was around the Chris Carter “inside info”) - narrative pretty hard.
Did you not think it was a bit out of character when Harbaugh contacted ESPN a few weeks back specifically to address the NFL rumors and the fact that others were spreading them for recruiting purposes? I suspect this was specifically to address the Hill situation and specific coaches (I assume Bama, GA, OSU, and Frames Janklin).
Seems sketchy that he would get a waiver - not closer to home for “family” reasons, and I don’t think a coach “lying” to you about playing time ranks up there with the campaign of lies that freed Shea and the other ‘Ole Miss players.
Still it is OSU, and given our recent run of luck I will choose to expect it to happen and be pleasantly surprised If it doesn’t.
Something fake Marcus can agree with...”if you aren’t first, you’re last”. M wasn’t first this year and the bowl doesn’t change that.
For better or worse this allows M to prepare the young men who will be essential to the success of the team NEXT year. Bowl win is great — definitely soothes the fan base - but doesn’t serve much of a purpose overall.
I think Isaiah was plugged quite well from his 247 days - think he will be less-so going forward as that doesn't seem to be his main focus at the new site.
I don’t disagree with the sentiment, but I do think that outside of the true stars or combine specimens —- where you go to school or your coach’s connections do matter.
Name recognition from M or a good word from JH (etc.) might equate to a late round pick or camp invite for a UDFA for players on the margins.
I think of it like a M degree on your resume. It won’t get you a job, but if it gets you the interview you have an infinitely better shot than those who didn’t.
This is because M players take “fake” majors or are undeclared... unlike the serious scholars at MSU.***
***This is from the official RCMB excuse book and comes up every time these stats come up. (For those who own the book, It is right before the “RR era didn’t help Dantonio’s success” section and right after the “bring up Lewan and Gibbons as a valid equivalent to any Nassar-level situation” section.)
PS- Serious props to those on the team earning this honor. I probably would never have qualified and I didn’t have the equivalent of a full-time while attending M.
Good teaching opportunities for coach B. Team was really lackadaisical on the offense end for stretches - particularly during that NW run - with unsound lob passes etc.
It was kind of the anti old-school Beilein teams in the 2nd half, almost no 3s -- except for Z and Teske. Guessing Z just tilted a bit out there during the repeated 3 sequence?
Long term this is a good learning and character-building experience.
Doesn’t Canada have a rep for being kinda of a dick? I thought I heard something about him having a short shelf-life after his LSU stint — maybe that was just LSU / SEC spin...
You must be a huge hit at parties. You take a news blip about a new hot recruit - one that fits the mold of a kid we have been told we are losing for weeks - and turn it into a thought that maybe we are losing another recruit? A soon to be 5-star that plans to enroll in a month and has been rock-solid? Maybe Zach is suddenly enamored with the non-existent run game and excellent O-line that a Kingsbury-Drevno combo will offer at USC?
Haskins should be gone this year. I am not sure how much higher his stock can go and the conventional wisdom is that this year’s QB draft class is much weaker than next**.
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**Not applicable for QBs playing for teams with a Murderwolf mascot (if you are reading this Shea).
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3/9........3-9..........coincidence??
Pretty sure it’s only Gus Johnson doing what he does. Have not heard it otherwise.
IMO ... things are still evolving (it is year 2) but it seems...
Even higher percentage of top kids are signing early - easily 90%+ - even if they don’t announce until NSD (Q Johnson) or at the AA games (DT Ellis? that went to PsU).
Same goes for MAC level kids. They seem to be signing early to lock in their spots - to avoid having a transfer portal kid take their place. Thus there are less late-risers or backup-plans available to top level teams than under the old system.
Essentially teams are more likely to need to take much bigger “projects” if they still need to add bodies at NSD
Gotta admit I am impressed at the level of self loathing in this post. Goes right past the M shaming and straight for the entire conference....
OSU, PSU, M and even UW would have scored had they made the playoff in the last few years. (I am not sure any would have won a game unless they got ND.)
I would normally want to say “aren’t we above this?”, but I happened to go over to RCMB yesterday.
You would have thought it was Xmas morining with all the celebrating and M hate........how’s IU’s ass taste Sparty?
Compelling…
Hmmm,....
Compelling arguments on both sides. Think you'd have to settle this by way of bull riding competition.
Not a subscriber to the premium sites but I don't think we should expect anyone new on NSD based on the podcasts I have been following.
Specifics --- Sounds like the RB currently committed to 'Bama situation has cooled - not sure on which end. Kid is looking to take a USC visit this weekend over a visit to MSU that they thought/hoped they would get...(lol). Still a chance to get the grad transfer DT from Houston but unsure what timeline that follows.
General -- Steve Lorenz said on the last MGoPodcast that he was originally pretty sure that M would sign 1-2 new names on NSD but now thinks they may be a bit tight on numbers and will probably stand pat.
FYI -- I think we have 2 "unannounced" commits as opposed to unsigned - It is possible that Hickson from KC hasn't actually signed yet but there are no concerns internally that he won't.
Feed moved from ESPN news to ESPN2 now that the UVA game is done.
Ok - where are you seeing Dixon ranked that high? Did you mean to type another name?
Not that Dixon wasn’t a missed in-state opportunity but he is showing around 200 on the composite.
Still frowned upon - mainly because of the negative connotation a “non-renewed 5th year” indicates even if it isn’t blatant like I was trying to do in my example.
I have learned these conjectures (or maybe just me) are normally wrong anyway. I.e. I would have bet decent $$ that there was no way Lo Marshall and/or JBB would get their 5ths last season.
I think It has always been frowned upon on this site to talk about players like this in specific regarding attrition.
Since Ulizio is in the transfer portal already.. I will use this example...
”We will pick up a spot because there is no way Nolan Ulizio gets his 5th year” = bad.
”We should pick up a spot or two due to non-renewed 5th years” = is a good topic for discussion.
Was thinking the same. I saw that McDaniels was tweeting about being on the road visiting recruits this week.
As far as I know he can only do that as a coach or as an “acting coach” while there are openings on the staff.
To me this means either he is a coach but unannounced (which would mean Pep is gone) OR that he was able to do this up to the exact point that the new DL hire became official.
Day’s offense appears to be predicated on having a pass-first QB like Haskins. Martell is a run-first QB and being well under 6’ doesn’t bode well for his growth as a pocket-passer. He was a great prospect for the Meyer/OSU offense pre-2018 not so much now.
Tathan could very well be an entitled, me-first prick but on the surface (to me) this transfer has a lot more to do with fit than fear of competition or favoritism.
Not a single post from HailGary portends that there was VERY little negative in this game.
I know for a fact…
YEAH!!!!
I know for a fact Marcus Ray is available!!
(/s the size of the Sears tower)
I believe a true millennial is more likely to have used the term “loosing”.
Don’t want to not-pick but I do not think Jay was in a position that was allowed to recruit At OSU (ntOSU)
Negative comment AND a spelling/grammar error. Going to call that the “hailgary special” from now on.
I like the way your mind works. Mork taking a page from the OSU/Day playbook by “stealing” Pep from M!!?
(Relatively speaking our Offense WAS dynamic compared to the one in East Lansing...)
Plus 1! Nice effort but to be completely accurate you would need to forget to X-out the M in from.
I see Kyle Ford’s hats out on the table.
Is it fair to even have an M hat out when he hasn’t visited?
I actually think fans have been raising the bar which now requires the lowering you suggest. How about “still a lot better than Mark Donnal” as a bar or “close but not quite Teske early 2017-2018 season”.
I think Davis can have an important role vs. the MSUs and Wisconsin’s of the world. It also appears that he will struggle - more so than Teske - against smaller/faster teams which is why Livers and hopefully Johns (eventually) are important as well.
I saw on Twitter that prior to tonight PSU was “tied” with Duke for the longest span since a loss of more than 11 points. Guess Duke stands alone now.
Livers is out tonight with back spasms per the twitters.
Re Dax. Hill: I read on one of the 247 threads that the West team coaches at UA had told the DBs to let the receivers catch the ball in Day One practices. Today would be the day to start hearing ‘bout Dax.
Yes. There was a note in one of the articles on him that he is home for one day after the AA game before enrolling at M.
They are starting a streaming rental service/app apparently. This is why they decided to sponsor in the first place.
Scott is desperate to impress prior to the NFL Draft. His teammate — who is in better shape in that regard — is sitting out the game. Not Apples to Apples.
Was going to ask on this. Was it a called coverage or a biff on the PU safeties (Pun somewhat intended.)?
Seemed like a very easy deep ball to complete with the receiver being able to adjust deep and across once he beats his man.
Not the toughest field this year, but definitely leader-in-the-clubhouse for Name of the Year in this class.
Welcome Ren!
Don’t get hung up on the word “respect” try “focus” as the thing they have been lacking.
It has been pretty clear to me (admitted hoops non-expert) that the team has been putting out less effort on the defensive end - at least to start - these last few games.
Side Note: On offense they seem to be lacking ideal flow or cohesion. It feels like they are running plays at this stage versus naturally taking what opens each possession. ——Look for the possessions where they obviously were told “drive to the hoop! Don’t settle for jump shots!” where you get 5 or 6 players driving and kicking in sequence even when they received the pass for a wide open 3 due to the previous drive.
M needs to “eliminate” whoever at OSU has the deal with the Devil or Golden Horseshoe up their ass.
It figures that the ONE five star that probably wasn’t going to OSU BECAUSE he didn’t click with Meyer is the one M was chasing.
I agree. In a fact I would guess several of the West teams have/will leapfrog the mid tier East teams.
However, if I worked my ass off I could close my gap with Lebron James on the BBall court. Aside from MAYBE scoring a point every once in a while, the end result would not change.
Timing was off for the DB Temple news imo. It has been hinted that ‘Bama May have pushed the Harbaugh to the NFL - (this was around the Chris Carter “inside info”) - narrative pretty hard.
Did you not think it was a bit out of character when Harbaugh contacted ESPN a few weeks back specifically to address the NFL rumors and the fact that others were spreading them for recruiting purposes? I suspect this was specifically to address the Hill situation and specific coaches (I assume Bama, GA, OSU, and Frames Janklin).
Seems sketchy that he would get a waiver - not closer to home for “family” reasons, and I don’t think a coach “lying” to you about playing time ranks up there with the campaign of lies that freed Shea and the other ‘Ole Miss players.
Still it is OSU, and given our recent run of luck I will choose to expect it to happen and be pleasantly surprised If it doesn’t.
I agree with the sentiment, but it’s actually at least 1.5 counting Solomon.
Something fake Marcus can agree with...”if you aren’t first, you’re last”. M wasn’t first this year and the bowl doesn’t change that.
For better or worse this allows M to prepare the young men who will be essential to the success of the team NEXT year. Bowl win is great — definitely soothes the fan base - but doesn’t serve much of a purpose overall.
I think Isaiah was…
This.
I think Isaiah was plugged quite well from his 247 days - think he will be less-so going forward as that doesn't seem to be his main focus at the new site.
Not sure how many Michigan was allotted but I do remember hearing that the bowl was “essentially sold out” even before teams were announced.
The bowl apparently made it mandatory to buy tickets for this year’s game For people wanting to get seats at the NC game at the venue next year.
Not sure...... Do they have room on their staff for HIS coach?
(Too soon? — did Wilson play for UGA this year?)
I don’t disagree with the sentiment, but I do think that outside of the true stars or combine specimens —- where you go to school or your coach’s connections do matter.
Name recognition from M or a good word from JH (etc.) might equate to a late round pick or camp invite for a UDFA for players on the margins.
I think of it like a M degree on your resume. It won’t get you a job, but if it gets you the interview you have an infinitely better shot than those who didn’t.
This is because M players take “fake” majors or are undeclared... unlike the serious scholars at MSU.***
***This is from the official RCMB excuse book and comes up every time these stats come up. (For those who own the book, It is right before the “RR era didn’t help Dantonio’s success” section and right after the “bring up Lewan and Gibbons as a valid equivalent to any Nassar-level situation” section.)
PS- Serious props to those on the team earning this honor. I probably would never have qualified and I didn’t have the equivalent of a full-time while attending M.
Good teaching opportunities for coach B. Team was really lackadaisical on the offense end for stretches - particularly during that NW run - with unsound lob passes etc.
It was kind of the anti old-school Beilein teams in the 2nd half, almost no 3s -- except for Z and Teske. Guessing Z just tilted a bit out there during the repeated 3 sequence?
Long term this is a good learning and character-building experience.
Most seem pretty easy compared to the ones that M's defense gives up - so it is a relative thing.
Love this team but they miss more "easy" layups than I can ever remember. If we made them our average margin of victory would be over 20. (#spoiled)
Doesn’t Canada have a rep for being kinda of a dick? I thought I heard something about him having a short shelf-life after his LSU stint — maybe that was just LSU / SEC spin...
MSU - this weekend. Are we still talking hoops? (/s)
You…
WOW.......Just wow!!
You must be a huge hit at parties. You take a news blip about a new hot recruit - one that fits the mold of a kid we have been told we are losing for weeks - and turn it into a thought that maybe we are losing another recruit? A soon to be 5-star that plans to enroll in a month and has been rock-solid? Maybe Zach is suddenly enamored with the non-existent run game and excellent O-line that a Kingsbury-Drevno combo will offer at USC?
(see…
Fire up Chimps!!!
(see thread from last night if this post seems wrong to you....)
Haskins should be gone this year. I am not sure how much higher his stock can go and the conventional wisdom is that this year’s QB draft class is much weaker than next**.
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**Not applicable for QBs playing for teams with a Murderwolf mascot (if you are reading this Shea).