OT: The Last Jedi, No Spoilers

Submitted by NFG on December 14th, 2017 at 8:56 PM
I saw it. Not impressed. Angry. Thoughts?



December 14th, 2017 at 10:44 PM ^

I think it delivered the classic corny (in the best way possible) of Star Wars Good vs Evil.  The general plot line was fairly predictable, but isn't that exactly what we all want and expect?

I find myself wishing that there would be surprises, such as completely unexpected character changes, but do I really!?  I think it was fairly audience pleasing and kept the door wide open for future episodes.  

Gucci Mane

December 15th, 2017 at 10:56 AM ^

It was not classic good vs. evil. The difference between good and bad was blurred. And one thing happened in this movie that I would have never expected, so I can't say it was predictable. I loved it at first viewing. Will need months and additional viewings to form a lasting opinion, but as of now I rate it a 9.4.


December 15th, 2017 at 7:22 AM ^

On RT it has a 93% fresh rating from critics, but a 67% rating from viewers. 

Personally, I haven't seen this one yet, but I remain puzzled by the endless hype given TFA. I agree with the South Park guys: It was entertaining, but it was a kid's movie. A nostalgiac remake of the original. It wasn't a masterpiece. 

I wouldn't be surprised if predominantly left-leaning critics support this film for mainly political reasons (the new good guy leads are all women and minority males fighting evil white males!), while audiences aren't as forgiving of the unoriginality, poor script and silly plot devices (these being some of the complaints I'm seeing) now that the prequels aren't the last installment in the series. Especially since Rogue One was actually a pretty good movie and set the bar a bit higher. 

Yost Ghost

December 15th, 2017 at 2:25 PM ^

Don't get me wrong I'm a Star Wars fanboi and although the first movie was original and I loved it, I'm not sure it qualifies as a masterpiece. Lucas successfully fused Kurosawa and Leone into a space samurai spaghetti western. Amazing yes but masterpiece?

2001 was a masterpiece. Done 9 years earlier and you could argue the special effects of that film were certainly on par with Star Wars.

I think we've become so nostalgic that the original films become mythical (often the first 2 in the series) in our heads and nothing that follows can compare.

See: The Matrix, Ironman, Batman reboot, Terminator, etc.


December 14th, 2017 at 9:38 PM ^

If they answered the questions in movie #2 then there is not a need for #3.  That is where most of the answers will be provided, however those will not answer all the questions.  Disney is going to pimp this for as much money as they can.



December 14th, 2017 at 9:43 PM ^

That's the JJ Abram's approach.  He thinks mysteries make movies more interesting, even action-style movies. 

His Star Trek reboot started off well and gone downhill since.  I really hope he doesn't do the same with Star Wars.  He will direct the third movie.


December 15th, 2017 at 12:36 AM ^

Hate on Abrams all you want, but I don't think a character by the name of Khan Noonien Singh was necessarily intended to be a Hispanic dude either.  My limited understanding of Star Trek is that Khan was originally written as an Indian character--likley Sikh.  So basically on that score, Ricardo Montalban doesn't really have any better claim on the character than Benedict Cumberbach does.

Michigan Arrogance

December 15th, 2017 at 7:25 AM ^

this take is so generally wrong for hard core SW fans, anyway. I don't want to call you out on it, but maybe it's just different questions that concern different people. For hard core SW fans, these were the big questions that were answered:

What's the deal with Snoke? (this is answered, from a certian point of view)

Who are Reys parents?

What happened to make Ben Solo turn?

What happened to Luke?

Each hero had their moment of doubt and their moment of triumpf.


if anything, there's not much for Ep9 left to answer - but the good news is that the canvas is blank for it to become it's own story.



December 15th, 2017 at 1:29 PM ^

Normally wouldn't care to reply, but something about calling out the other guy's subjective opinion as "generally wrong" really grates me.  It's an opinion.  I wouldn't say yours is "wrong," I would just say that I disagree with it.

Going to try to do this without introducing spoilers (but if you haven't seen it yet, you probably shouldn't read this): 1) Question 1 was not answered, and the movie signaled that Ep. 9 won't be revealing any more, frustrating for fans wondering how this dude exists given what we knew at the end of ROTJ and from the prequels, 2) Question 2 was maybe answered, if the information revealed is credible, but it was done in such a stupid way (character who revealed the info discovered it in a very stupid, nonsensical way.), 3) Question 3 was not answered in any meaningful way, and the way they Rashomon'd it felt out of place and a cheap way to manipulate the audience, the explanation given doesn't really make sense based on the limited information provided, nor does it explain why he'd be angry at anyone other than the person directly involved in what was shown, 4) Question 4 was answered in a way highly inconsistent with his established character.  OT established him as someone who would try to save others against all odds and against the advice of others.  What happened to that guy?

I'm just pointing out the negatives, I actually thought the movie was somewhat enjoyable but suffering from several significant flaws.  (Scene demonstrating gravity in space really irked me.)  7/10.  But I agree with the take that questions were not answered and it looks like they won't be, with the addition that the questions that were answered were answered stupidly.


December 15th, 2017 at 4:54 PM ^

I think the you captured the movie very well here: 

"the movie was somewhat enjoyable but suffering from several significant flaws...questions were not answered and it looks like they won't be, with the addition that the questions that were answered were answered stupidly."  

I'm a huge Star Wars fan, but left feeling frustrated.  Gravity bombers in space and what amounted to a low speed chase waiting for ships to run out of gas were also irritating low points for me.

Yost Ghost

December 15th, 2017 at 9:15 AM ^

it answered questions about Rey's parentage, it answered questions about what happened to Luke, it answered questions about Snoke, it answered questions about Ben/Kylo's struggle between the dark/light side of the force.

What questions were you ecpecting the movie to answer that it didn't?


Edit: Didn't see MA's comment before I posted.


December 15th, 2017 at 9:19 AM ^

at the ohio game last year?   

is santa real?

does rick pitino have '666; tattooed on his scalp somewhere? 

who was/were/are all the troll accounts around here?


i could go on, but this is a start at least.  


December 15th, 2017 at 2:54 AM ^

I'm not OP, but generally agree with him.

Hard to explain without spoilers, the thread on /r/movies is filled with people pointing out stuff that happens that doesn't really make sense.  Ignoring the plot holes, I'd say they went overboard with the comic relief, there's a major sequence that felt very out of place IMO for a Star Wars flick, and they don't do a good job setting up the next movie.

I'm predicting that people with major emotional attachments to the franchise will be disappointed, while the more casual fans will find it perfectly fine.