Rooths has athletic upside and the word on his poor shooting is it’s more about poor shot selection than bad technique or anything, which seems easier to get out of his system.
But he definitely sounds like a work in progress more than a college-ready guy.
I mean, JJ didn’t play the fourth quarter of like 7 or 8 games. Three other QBs attempted a pass, Orji not being one of them. Seems like there was plenty of opportunity to get Orji some reps at various points throughout the season.
Part of that is QBs wanting to go where they can throw the ball, so we weren’t really in it on the elite recruitments for the most part. Another part is recruiting a couple high floor guys (Cade and Peters) who were never going to be “elite” and your high ceiling guys (Milton and McCaffrey) not sticking it out long enough to see the fruits of their development with UM.
They’ve had a decent run of new programs joining the past few years: St. Thomas, Long Island, Lindenwood, and Augustana. Binghamton is starting next season and then Simon Fraser and Tennessee State are starting programs in the near future as well I believe.
The biggest hurdles are typically funding (hockey is EXPENSIVE) and finding somewhere to play. Between that and the lack of success in these startup programs is probably discouraging some schools.
Ultimately I think it needs to be a push from the conferences to convince schools to create programs. The problem there is that the B1G is the only conference that isn’t hockey-only, so the other conferences would have to approach schools independently.
The thing with recruiting strictly overagers is that you’re typically playing for windows. You recruit a core group and if they develop well, you can have a 2-3 year window of competing with the big boys before falling back to the mean. Sometimes they don’t develop like you’d hope and you get stuck in the cellar. Smaller schools HAVE to take this route because they simply can’t compete with the big time programs for the NHL talent or the fringe guys. And doing it (successfully) is the only way to counter the high skill of those teams.
Recruiting those high draft picks leads to much more consistent success, IF you’re able to do it year over year. If you have an off year recruiting and you have a handful of guys leave early, you’re in for a rough year or two. The flip side is, a stellar recruiting class can completely flip the script back. BC went from 14-16-6 last year to 34-6-1 this year and played in the title game for example.
I don’t think anyone “wants” to strictly do one over the other. I’m sure Quinnipiac would love a first round pick or two. And major programs need guys who stick around 3-4 years as well. Like you mentioned, it’s all about finding that balance and hitting on those guys that stick with the program for multiple years.
Yeah there’s no way you can read that course of events and believe he wasn’t intoxicated. Whether he was charged or not, there’s zero chance they were sober.
He has athletic upside, but his scouting report paints a picture of a guy who struggles shooting the ball, poor shot selection, not good with the ball in his hands, and poor assist-turnover ratio. Sounds like he has a lot of work to do before we’re talking NBA.
Reading up on Rooths, it appears he has a lot he needs to work on before being a significant contributor anyway. But I also didn’t necessarily read the order Brian listed them in as a depth chart, more just listing guys based on their position
You have to be careful just looking at raw numbers when looking at prospects. The NAHL isn’t a strong juniors league in comparison to the USHL.
Its not unheard of, but is rarer for Michigan to recruit players out of the NAHL. The current roster has two players, Brendan Miles and Josh Orrico, who came to Michigan straight from the NAHL. Orrico appeared in 7 games, Miles in 6. For comparison, the USHL (including the USNTDP, which plays a USHL schedule) sent 15 players to UofM.
Peck’s numbers are good, but he’ll also be facing a much more significant step up in competition when he gets to college.
Shows how much I know. The two I felt most likely to come back (Nazar and Brindley) are gone and the one I though was gone for sure is back.
Michigan has a projected first rounder and a second rounder coming in at forward. Hoping Hughes doesn’t get too much free agency interest from the NHL and Duke comes back(edit: welp, missed that he signed too). Coupled with the return from injury from Hallum, and another year from Moldenhauer and Schifsky, we should reload pretty well offensively.
Defense is a bigger question mark as we wait to hear on Casey (NJ is pretty stacked defensively so I can see him back, but could also see him biding his time in the AHL).
Two guys committed. Cameron Korpi turns 20 next month and posted a .892 SV% and 2.98 GAA in the USHL. Stephen Peck just turned 19 and posted a .917 SV% and 2.25 GAA in the NAHL. So neither of them project as an instant impact answer at the position and you obviously wouldn’t want two true freshmen as your tandem, so the portal was always going to play a factor here.
Most likely they bring Korpi in to backup Stein and defer Peck until next season.
I’d also caution looking too deeply at Stein’s #s at Ferris. Ferris was terrible, but the rest of the CCHA was pretty horrid this year as well so the competition wasn’t much to brag about either. Probably be similar to Barczewski where the combination of playing with a better team in front of you but also against better competition results in a slight dip in the numbers you put up previously. He went from hovering around .920 every year at Canisius to posting a .907 this season at Michigan for example.
I’d imagine there is some sort of limitation on how much can be spent per recruit at an event like that.
With silly restrictions on things like photoshoots during visits and commitment edits for recent commits, I don’t imagine the NCAA would just say “go ahead and cater in four course meals with brisket, ribs and a full assortment of sides.”
Unless the rule has changed, there’s an exception for NCAA players. The NHL team holds your rights until 30 days after you leave college. So Duke can return and his NHL team would hold his rights still
I’m not concerned about it even if we don’t. I just know there’s been some positive momentum with some guys win the past few weeks and wouldn’t be surprised if the staff encouraged them to hold off on announcing until the spring game.
Spring game being on national TV and getting a handful of commits in the immediate aftermath would be a boost of positive momentum. More impactful than a couple random commits.
First of all, I said it’s clear they are REPRESENTATIVES of their respective universities. Learn to read.
They wake up on the school’s campus, go to class, eat in the cafeteria, work out in the school’s gym, put on the school athletics uniforms and play games. Let me know when you see Donovan Edwards out there wearing Fox uniforms and not University of Michigan ones.
Your condescending tone throughout this thread is hilarious considering it’s quite clear to everyone you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about or how the economy works.
I thought we had a good shot of him coming back. He’s made some flashy plays but hasn’t really stood out in a way where you’d say he’s ready. With Chicago still in the dumps and him virtually missing all of last season, I could have seen him taking in another year of college hockey.
I think the difference in pricing there is the fact that Vegas and Seattle were start-up expansions and that was the cost to enter the league, whereas this is the sale of an established team and a relocation fee. Vegas and Seattle wouldn’t sell for $500-$650 million, that was simply the cost to become an NHL team.
Well it’s currently against the rules for the university to provide any of the funding so yeah… whether they can afford it or not is irrelevant at this time. They literally need donors and companies to contribute.
Once again, it’s clear the players are representatives of their respective schools. Not the TV networks.
If you run a company, you’re not paying the people who work for one of your vendors. You pay your vendor for the product/service and it is up to THEM to distribute that payment to their employees.
Players are not currently employees, but in the context of them being paid they would be employees at that point. Quite obviously employees of their respective universities, not the networks.
“Who has determined that athletes are not employees of the networks but rather employees of the university?”
Seems pretty clear we’re rooting for the Michigan Wolverines and not the Fox Fighting Foxes…
“As of right now, athletes are NOT employees of any entity”
Correct. Which is why they’re not paid. You’re calling for them to be paid, which WOULD make them employees. Clearly this discussion is within the context of them being paid employees.
“I'm not throwing blame on anyone”
You’re literally implying that it is somehow the responsibility of the TV Network to make sure the NCAA, conferences, and schools are paying athletes or otherwise pay them directly. And that it is somehow unethical for them to make a profit…
“the two entities involved need to resolve it”
Once again with the two entities nonsense. The TV networks are paying for a product. They are paying the proper sources who own the rights to that product. What the owners of those rights do with that money has absolutely nothing to do with the networks. They have absolutely zero stake in whether the NCAA and the schools decide to compensate the players. You’re literally pushing blame on a third party for what the NCAA and its member schools choose to do with the revenue they received for their product.
“one of the dozens who dont pay the athlete/actor/employee a damn penny.”
It is not the network’s job to pay another compan’s employees. It is never ANY company’s job to pay another company’s employees. This isn’t complicated.
It is never the TV networks responsibility to pay athletes. At any level. Unless you are directly employed by the network or independently providing them with content/services, they are under zero obligation to compensate you. It is a silly point that you seem fixated on.
It is the sole responsibility of the school to compensate their employees. The issue stops there. Since the schools do not consider the athletes to be employees, they aren’t compensated. Period. The blame stops there. You’re throwing blame on the TV Networks for not paying another company’s employees. That’s not how it works in any job.
As to your second point, it’s only fooling people who don’t know or aren’t following what is going on. NIL is solely the courts saying the NCAA can’t restrict the ability for athletes to make money from the use of their name, image, and likeness. If you’re somehow interpreting that as the schools, NCAA, or TV paying them then that’s a you problem.
TV networks don’t compensate any athletes in any sport at any level. That is not their job. LeBron is not paid by ESPN. He is paid by the Lakers. The networks pay the proper entities for the rights to televise the product. If those entities are then not compensating people, that isn’t on the networks. It is never one company’s job to pay another company’s employees.
If GM buys a shipment of steel, they pay the company they’re buying the steel from. They do not pay their employees.
You seem to have a fair bit of misguided rage on the subject.
I don’t really see what that has to do with claiming that if schools can afford these upgrades, they can afford to pay the players instead when the schools aren’t actually the ones footing the bill for the upgrades to begin with. Michigan isn’t spending $40 million of the university’s money to upgrade the scoreboards, they’re getting donors to foot the bill.
But you’re never going to get the TV networks paying players until the players form a union and become contracted employees. Even then, it won’t be TV networks paying. It will be the schools paying from what they’re paid by the networks.
That’s how it came across, but it was presented under the guise of NIL. Which is an entirely separate thing.
The current climate is the climate specifically because the athletes are not employees. NIL isn’t a thing because the NCAA thinks the players should be paid, NIL is a thing because the courts have determined the NCAA has no right to restrict the rights of student-athletes to profit off of their name, image, and likeness. It really is two separate issues that have been slammed together into one.
When schools are building these state-of-the-art facilities, it’s typically done on the backs of major donors. Al Glick paid for 1/3 of Michigan’s practice facility on his own, with other donors chipping in for the rest. The scoreboard upgrades were on track to be funded entirely by private donations, though I don’t know if they ended up achieving the goal or not.
Well it’s kinda simple really. If the university and TV networks were paying them, it’s not NIL. That would be an employer-employee relationship.
NIL comes from third party sources because it has to, by definition. NIL is LeBron doing a commercial for Nike, not LeBron getting paid by the Lakers or the players union getting a cut of TV revenue.
If your argument is that the players should be employees, that’s fine. But that’s a very different argument than NIL.
To make it as simple as I can, NIL cannot come from the school. Either from a direct funding or payment standpoint. NIL comes from 3rd party entities that are giving out payments at the direction of the coaching staff and support staff. Michigan has actual staff members whose sole job is to organize and act as the middle man between the program and the people running the collectives.
Warde has absolutely nothing to do with actual NIL outside of occasionally rubbing shoulders with reps/donors for fundraising.
I’m sure she loves the school, her teammates and her time here. But being that it’s only been three years of her life there’s probably a dollar amount that would take her elsewhere, especially if it meant competing for a title.
As much as you can point to former players starting to bleed maize and blue, it’s still different when you compare them to teammates who grew up bleeding maize and blue. Not everyone is as emotionally invested in the school as some of us are, especially 18-22 year olds and that’s okay.
I hate to break it to you, but the world-class university stuff is largely just for narrative purposes. The actual value of a Michigan degree compared to a degree from say UConn or Tennessee isn’t all that different in the job market. It’s not like she’s going to end up flipping burgers if she goes to a school that isn’t UofM.
I said something similar in the Phelia thread. I’m honestly shocked we don’t see more players entering the portal just to see what other programs are willing to offer and maybe take them up on that offer.
I don’t think most fans realize that a lot of these players don’t grow up with the same emotional ties to the university that many of us have. I don’t know Laila Phelia’s background, but being from Cincy there’s a fair chance she didnt grow up rooting for UM and dreaming of playing here. So it’s unlikely she’s going to be very broken up about it if she takes a decent chunk of money to the bank to play elsewhere
Idk. I’d definitely rather have a young, up and coming coach that built a program from nothing than a 65 year old that underperformed with the insane talent on hand at Kentucky with 1 tournament win in 5 years and opening round losses to a 13 and 15 seed.
I actually felt the opposite. I totally could have seen Cal being interested in Michigan, I just couldn’t see it being reciprocated. Cal was/is losing a lot of goodwill at Kentucky the last few years. I totally understood him seeing the writing on the wall and looking for a soft landing.
BUT I thought (hoped) Michigan would see the results the past few years and stay away. Kentucky gets insane talent that Calipari simply would not have access to at Michigan and the results the past 5 years have been pretty middling with only 1 tournament win. The record looks decent on the surface but factor in the talent on hand and also the tourney losses being ugly and it’s pretty disappointing.
He’s no doubt one of the best coaches of this generation but I don’t see the fit with Michigan and it honestly seems like the game is starting to pass him by a bit.
Honestly in the current landscape with NIL, you’re almost doing yourself a disservice if you DON’T shop yourself around and see what someone is willing to offer.
Denegal probably has the lowest chances of being the guy. If it weren’t for the fact that you don’t want to ever start a true freshmen, I’d even consider Davis more likely to start.
Not really. A player can increase their draft stock by playing in offenses that showcase their passing abilities more than playing in a run heavy offenses. That much is common sense.
What I’m saying is JJ is being mocked as a high first round pick in spite of being in an offense like Michigan’s because he has insane individual talents. Not because he played in the Michigan offense. Of course, elite talents will get spotted by scouts no matter where they go.
But we aren’t talking about transfers with those abilities. Guys with those abilities aren’t leaving their programs and the ones that DO have those abilities and transfer are transferring to other top programs that throw it more and throw in the NIL. We’re talking about adding potential transfers that would need to do whatever they can to get ON the radar of scouts after either an up-transfer or losing the position battle at their current school. You’re not doing that in Michigan’s offense compared to most other P5(4) offenses.
Simply put, if you’re a fringe draft pick or not even in the picture, are you better off throwing for 2,500 yards and 18 TDs at Michigan or 3,500 yards and 25 TDs somewhere else?
He’s being mocked as an early 1st round choice because he has insane individual abilities. JJ would have been an early 1st round pick no matter what P5 school he went to, it has nothing to do with him going to Michigan.
There isn’t a QB in the country that is going to increase their draft stock by coming to Michigan to throw for 2,500 yards and 18 TDs. This isn’t complicated
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Rooths has athletic upside and the word on his poor shooting is it’s more about poor shot selection than bad technique or anything, which seems easier to get out of his system.
But he definitely sounds like a work in progress more than a college-ready guy.
We outscored them 10-6 in the second half and attempted 8 passes the entire game, so it’s safe to say that yeah, we probably still get the lead.
Yeah we’ll never beat PSU without passing the ball…
I mean, JJ didn’t play the fourth quarter of like 7 or 8 games. Three other QBs attempted a pass, Orji not being one of them. Seems like there was plenty of opportunity to get Orji some reps at various points throughout the season.
Part of that is QBs wanting to go where they can throw the ball, so we weren’t really in it on the elite recruitments for the most part. Another part is recruiting a couple high floor guys (Cade and Peters) who were never going to be “elite” and your high ceiling guys (Milton and McCaffrey) not sticking it out long enough to see the fruits of their development with UM.
I don’t think they’d turn away one of the most productive offensive defensemen in the country regardless of the decisions of those players.
They’ve had a decent run of new programs joining the past few years: St. Thomas, Long Island, Lindenwood, and Augustana. Binghamton is starting next season and then Simon Fraser and Tennessee State are starting programs in the near future as well I believe.
The biggest hurdles are typically funding (hockey is EXPENSIVE) and finding somewhere to play. Between that and the lack of success in these startup programs is probably discouraging some schools.
Ultimately I think it needs to be a push from the conferences to convince schools to create programs. The problem there is that the B1G is the only conference that isn’t hockey-only, so the other conferences would have to approach schools independently.
They’re not taking up any scholarship money and there’s no limit to the number of players you can roster. So the real answer is, why not?
The thing with recruiting strictly overagers is that you’re typically playing for windows. You recruit a core group and if they develop well, you can have a 2-3 year window of competing with the big boys before falling back to the mean. Sometimes they don’t develop like you’d hope and you get stuck in the cellar. Smaller schools HAVE to take this route because they simply can’t compete with the big time programs for the NHL talent or the fringe guys. And doing it (successfully) is the only way to counter the high skill of those teams.
Recruiting those high draft picks leads to much more consistent success, IF you’re able to do it year over year. If you have an off year recruiting and you have a handful of guys leave early, you’re in for a rough year or two. The flip side is, a stellar recruiting class can completely flip the script back. BC went from 14-16-6 last year to 34-6-1 this year and played in the title game for example.
I don’t think anyone “wants” to strictly do one over the other. I’m sure Quinnipiac would love a first round pick or two. And major programs need guys who stick around 3-4 years as well. Like you mentioned, it’s all about finding that balance and hitting on those guys that stick with the program for multiple years.
Yeah there’s no way you can read that course of events and believe he wasn’t intoxicated. Whether he was charged or not, there’s zero chance they were sober.
To be fair, that’s not a very high bar.
He has athletic upside, but his scouting report paints a picture of a guy who struggles shooting the ball, poor shot selection, not good with the ball in his hands, and poor assist-turnover ratio. Sounds like he has a lot of work to do before we’re talking NBA.
Incoming first round pick and early 2nd rounder that are likely factoring into those top two lines. Hallum’s role is probably best as a 3C
Reading up on Rooths, it appears he has a lot he needs to work on before being a significant contributor anyway. But I also didn’t necessarily read the order Brian listed them in as a depth chart, more just listing guys based on their position
You have to be careful just looking at raw numbers when looking at prospects. The NAHL isn’t a strong juniors league in comparison to the USHL.
Its not unheard of, but is rarer for Michigan to recruit players out of the NAHL. The current roster has two players, Brendan Miles and Josh Orrico, who came to Michigan straight from the NAHL. Orrico appeared in 7 games, Miles in 6. For comparison, the USHL (including the USNTDP, which plays a USHL schedule) sent 15 players to UofM.
Peck’s numbers are good, but he’ll also be facing a much more significant step up in competition when he gets to college.
Shows how much I know. The two I felt most likely to come back (Nazar and Brindley) are gone and the one I though was gone for sure is back.
Michigan has a projected first rounder and a second rounder coming in at forward. Hoping Hughes doesn’t get too much free agency interest from the NHL and Duke comes back(edit: welp, missed that he signed too). Coupled with the return from injury from Hallum, and another year from Moldenhauer and Schifsky, we should reload pretty well offensively.
Defense is a bigger question mark as we wait to hear on Casey (NJ is pretty stacked defensively so I can see him back, but could also see him biding his time in the AHL).
Two guys committed. Cameron Korpi turns 20 next month and posted a .892 SV% and 2.98 GAA in the USHL. Stephen Peck just turned 19 and posted a .917 SV% and 2.25 GAA in the NAHL. So neither of them project as an instant impact answer at the position and you obviously wouldn’t want two true freshmen as your tandem, so the portal was always going to play a factor here.
Most likely they bring Korpi in to backup Stein and defer Peck until next season.
I’d also caution looking too deeply at Stein’s #s at Ferris. Ferris was terrible, but the rest of the CCHA was pretty horrid this year as well so the competition wasn’t much to brag about either. Probably be similar to Barczewski where the combination of playing with a better team in front of you but also against better competition results in a slight dip in the numbers you put up previously. He went from hovering around .920 every year at Canisius to posting a .907 this season at Michigan for example.
I’d imagine there is some sort of limitation on how much can be spent per recruit at an event like that.
With silly restrictions on things like photoshoots during visits and commitment edits for recent commits, I don’t imagine the NCAA would just say “go ahead and cater in four course meals with brisket, ribs and a full assortment of sides.”
Unless the rule has changed, there’s an exception for NCAA players. The NHL team holds your rights until 30 days after you leave college. So Duke can return and his NHL team would hold his rights still
Maybe I’m misremembering but I thought it was the exact opposite and Michigan had the #1 ranked class around this time
I’m not concerned about it even if we don’t. I just know there’s been some positive momentum with some guys win the past few weeks and wouldn’t be surprised if the staff encouraged them to hold off on announcing until the spring game.
Spring game being on national TV and getting a handful of commits in the immediate aftermath would be a boost of positive momentum. More impactful than a couple random commits.
First of all, I said it’s clear they are REPRESENTATIVES of their respective universities. Learn to read.
They wake up on the school’s campus, go to class, eat in the cafeteria, work out in the school’s gym, put on the school athletics uniforms and play games. Let me know when you see Donovan Edwards out there wearing Fox uniforms and not University of Michigan ones.
Your condescending tone throughout this thread is hilarious considering it’s quite clear to everyone you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about or how the economy works.
I almost wonder if we have a few silent commits that are waiting to announce at the spring game
I thought we had a good shot of him coming back. He’s made some flashy plays but hasn’t really stood out in a way where you’d say he’s ready. With Chicago still in the dumps and him virtually missing all of last season, I could have seen him taking in another year of college hockey.
I think the difference in pricing there is the fact that Vegas and Seattle were start-up expansions and that was the cost to enter the league, whereas this is the sale of an established team and a relocation fee. Vegas and Seattle wouldn’t sell for $500-$650 million, that was simply the cost to become an NHL team.
Well it’s currently against the rules for the university to provide any of the funding so yeah… whether they can afford it or not is irrelevant at this time. They literally need donors and companies to contribute.
Once again, it’s clear the players are representatives of their respective schools. Not the TV networks.
If you run a company, you’re not paying the people who work for one of your vendors. You pay your vendor for the product/service and it is up to THEM to distribute that payment to their employees.
Players are not currently employees, but in the context of them being paid they would be employees at that point. Quite obviously employees of their respective universities, not the networks.
“Who has determined that athletes are not employees of the networks but rather employees of the university?”
Seems pretty clear we’re rooting for the Michigan Wolverines and not the Fox Fighting Foxes…
“As of right now, athletes are NOT employees of any entity”
Correct. Which is why they’re not paid. You’re calling for them to be paid, which WOULD make them employees. Clearly this discussion is within the context of them being paid employees.
“I'm not throwing blame on anyone”
You’re literally implying that it is somehow the responsibility of the TV Network to make sure the NCAA, conferences, and schools are paying athletes or otherwise pay them directly. And that it is somehow unethical for them to make a profit…
“the two entities involved need to resolve it”
Once again with the two entities nonsense. The TV networks are paying for a product. They are paying the proper sources who own the rights to that product. What the owners of those rights do with that money has absolutely nothing to do with the networks. They have absolutely zero stake in whether the NCAA and the schools decide to compensate the players. You’re literally pushing blame on a third party for what the NCAA and its member schools choose to do with the revenue they received for their product.
Okay but then we’re right back to what NIL already is
“one of the dozens who dont pay the athlete/actor/employee a damn penny.”
It is not the network’s job to pay another compan’s employees. It is never ANY company’s job to pay another company’s employees. This isn’t complicated.
It is never the TV networks responsibility to pay athletes. At any level. Unless you are directly employed by the network or independently providing them with content/services, they are under zero obligation to compensate you. It is a silly point that you seem fixated on.
It is the sole responsibility of the school to compensate their employees. The issue stops there. Since the schools do not consider the athletes to be employees, they aren’t compensated. Period. The blame stops there. You’re throwing blame on the TV Networks for not paying another company’s employees. That’s not how it works in any job.
As to your second point, it’s only fooling people who don’t know or aren’t following what is going on. NIL is solely the courts saying the NCAA can’t restrict the ability for athletes to make money from the use of their name, image, and likeness. If you’re somehow interpreting that as the schools, NCAA, or TV paying them then that’s a you problem.
TV networks don’t compensate any athletes in any sport at any level. That is not their job. LeBron is not paid by ESPN. He is paid by the Lakers. The networks pay the proper entities for the rights to televise the product. If those entities are then not compensating people, that isn’t on the networks. It is never one company’s job to pay another company’s employees.
If GM buys a shipment of steel, they pay the company they’re buying the steel from. They do not pay their employees.
You seem to have a fair bit of misguided rage on the subject.
I don’t really see what that has to do with claiming that if schools can afford these upgrades, they can afford to pay the players instead when the schools aren’t actually the ones footing the bill for the upgrades to begin with. Michigan isn’t spending $40 million of the university’s money to upgrade the scoreboards, they’re getting donors to foot the bill.
But you’re never going to get the TV networks paying players until the players form a union and become contracted employees. Even then, it won’t be TV networks paying. It will be the schools paying from what they’re paid by the networks.
That’s how it came across, but it was presented under the guise of NIL. Which is an entirely separate thing.
The current climate is the climate specifically because the athletes are not employees. NIL isn’t a thing because the NCAA thinks the players should be paid, NIL is a thing because the courts have determined the NCAA has no right to restrict the rights of student-athletes to profit off of their name, image, and likeness. It really is two separate issues that have been slammed together into one.
When schools are building these state-of-the-art facilities, it’s typically done on the backs of major donors. Al Glick paid for 1/3 of Michigan’s practice facility on his own, with other donors chipping in for the rest. The scoreboard upgrades were on track to be funded entirely by private donations, though I don’t know if they ended up achieving the goal or not.
Well it’s kinda simple really. If the university and TV networks were paying them, it’s not NIL. That would be an employer-employee relationship.
NIL comes from third party sources because it has to, by definition. NIL is LeBron doing a commercial for Nike, not LeBron getting paid by the Lakers or the players union getting a cut of TV revenue.
If your argument is that the players should be employees, that’s fine. But that’s a very different argument than NIL.
Is there a non-crisp penny?
Nimari Burnett and Jace Howard are still with the team as far as I know
The guy has become such a target for things that have nothing to do with his job over the past few years.
To make it as simple as I can, NIL cannot come from the school. Either from a direct funding or payment standpoint. NIL comes from 3rd party entities that are giving out payments at the direction of the coaching staff and support staff. Michigan has actual staff members whose sole job is to organize and act as the middle man between the program and the people running the collectives.
Warde has absolutely nothing to do with actual NIL outside of occasionally rubbing shoulders with reps/donors for fundraising.
I’m sure she loves the school, her teammates and her time here. But being that it’s only been three years of her life there’s probably a dollar amount that would take her elsewhere, especially if it meant competing for a title.
As much as you can point to former players starting to bleed maize and blue, it’s still different when you compare them to teammates who grew up bleeding maize and blue. Not everyone is as emotionally invested in the school as some of us are, especially 18-22 year olds and that’s okay.
I hate to break it to you, but the world-class university stuff is largely just for narrative purposes. The actual value of a Michigan degree compared to a degree from say UConn or Tennessee isn’t all that different in the job market. It’s not like she’s going to end up flipping burgers if she goes to a school that isn’t UofM.
I said something similar in the Phelia thread. I’m honestly shocked we don’t see more players entering the portal just to see what other programs are willing to offer and maybe take them up on that offer.
I don’t think most fans realize that a lot of these players don’t grow up with the same emotional ties to the university that many of us have. I don’t know Laila Phelia’s background, but being from Cincy there’s a fair chance she didnt grow up rooting for UM and dreaming of playing here. So it’s unlikely she’s going to be very broken up about it if she takes a decent chunk of money to the bank to play elsewhere
I mean, you already don’t. Academic scholarships and grants are already a thing.
Idk. I’d definitely rather have a young, up and coming coach that built a program from nothing than a 65 year old that underperformed with the insane talent on hand at Kentucky with 1 tournament win in 5 years and opening round losses to a 13 and 15 seed.
I actually felt the opposite. I totally could have seen Cal being interested in Michigan, I just couldn’t see it being reciprocated. Cal was/is losing a lot of goodwill at Kentucky the last few years. I totally understood him seeing the writing on the wall and looking for a soft landing.
BUT I thought (hoped) Michigan would see the results the past few years and stay away. Kentucky gets insane talent that Calipari simply would not have access to at Michigan and the results the past 5 years have been pretty middling with only 1 tournament win. The record looks decent on the surface but factor in the talent on hand and also the tourney losses being ugly and it’s pretty disappointing.
He’s no doubt one of the best coaches of this generation but I don’t see the fit with Michigan and it honestly seems like the game is starting to pass him by a bit.
Hot take: you shouldn’t have to join the military to receive an affordable education.
Honestly in the current landscape with NIL, you’re almost doing yourself a disservice if you DON’T shop yourself around and see what someone is willing to offer.
Denegal probably has the lowest chances of being the guy. If it weren’t for the fact that you don’t want to ever start a true freshmen, I’d even consider Davis more likely to start.
Not really. A player can increase their draft stock by playing in offenses that showcase their passing abilities more than playing in a run heavy offenses. That much is common sense.
What I’m saying is JJ is being mocked as a high first round pick in spite of being in an offense like Michigan’s because he has insane individual talents. Not because he played in the Michigan offense. Of course, elite talents will get spotted by scouts no matter where they go.
But we aren’t talking about transfers with those abilities. Guys with those abilities aren’t leaving their programs and the ones that DO have those abilities and transfer are transferring to other top programs that throw it more and throw in the NIL. We’re talking about adding potential transfers that would need to do whatever they can to get ON the radar of scouts after either an up-transfer or losing the position battle at their current school. You’re not doing that in Michigan’s offense compared to most other P5(4) offenses.
Simply put, if you’re a fringe draft pick or not even in the picture, are you better off throwing for 2,500 yards and 18 TDs at Michigan or 3,500 yards and 25 TDs somewhere else?
He’s being mocked as an early 1st round choice because he has insane individual abilities. JJ would have been an early 1st round pick no matter what P5 school he went to, it has nothing to do with him going to Michigan.
There isn’t a QB in the country that is going to increase their draft stock by coming to Michigan to throw for 2,500 yards and 18 TDs. This isn’t complicated