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I don't know why people use…

I don't know why people use this as a defense of Rose.  If I'm betting on my team to win on Saturday, that may affect how I manage on Thursday and Friday.  I may rest key players those days to keep them fresh for Saturday, to increase my chances of cashing in.  Gambling on your own team in any event can affect the integrity of the game.

Last time football won the…

Last time football won the national championship, the hockey team ... just saying.

Bill Martin's most…

Bill Martin's most significant impact (besides the Beilein hire) was in facilities.  In practically every sport ours were outdated when he came in.  He got a ton done there in his decade at the helm.

They basically did to us…

They basically did to us what we did to them in 2021.

That's going a little far.  They scored 14 points.  But against our banged-up offense, it was enough.

If you need to think this…

If you need to think this hard about a $25 donation, then don't bother.  But IMO, it's not that much to contribute and may - nothing is ever guaranteed - help the team a bit.

The weather sucks in most…

The weather sucks in most places for 4 to 5 months not named California or Florida quite frankly.

Florida in the summer is absolutely gross.  

California, yeah, I'd agree - at least on the coast.  Inland, it's blazing hot in the summer.

There is another aspect to…

There is another aspect to it, which is that Howard just didn't seem that engaged in PR in general, whether it was giving the media access or doing fundraising events.

I'm sure some of that stuff is annoying and I could see why a fabulously wealthy ex-NBA star might not want to do it ... but it's part of being a college head coach.

European basketball…

European basketball geographical inaccuracy is something up with which we should not put!

For starting center…

For starting center Vladislav Goldin, he looked at how Fenerbahce utilized Jan Veselý in the pinch post. A lot of the ball-screen action Goldin is involved in is stolen right from the ACB.

Fenerbahçe is actually in Turkey, not Spain.  (By chance, I happen to know someone who's a fan of them.)  They may have played against some Spanish teams in the Euroleague (which is the basketball equivalent of the Champions' League), but they don't play in the ACB.

Do you think he isn't a…

Do you think he isn't a legend here as it is?

Sounds like Ramsey certainly…

Sounds like Ramsey certainly was key here, helping to not only alert Manuel to May as a candidate, but also by speaking to May regularly during this process.  

I was curious what Ramsey is doing now - his Wikipedia page doesn't say anything beyond his EMU tenure (which ended in 2011).  Apparently he's now at the HS level, coaching Ypsilanti, or at least was as of 2020.  I wonder if we offer him a role in some capacity.

I've been a fan of his since…

I've been a fan of his since he was a player here, and wish him the best going forward, but I don't really get the uproar over the headline.  "Fab Failure"?  A bit harsh but coming off an 8-24 season, I can't really say it's wrong.   

I'll defend the Daily most of the time.  It's a student newspaper.  If people want to go after professional journalists, ok, but cut the students some slack.   

Crean is probably the worst…

Crean is probably the worst name on that list and he has two Big Ten titles at perennial also-ran Indiana.

Savage!

That's assuming that all…

That's assuming that all those players are loyal to Howard and would follow him elsewhere.  That's far from certain.  There were rumors of massive transfers all season long, even when Howard's status for next year was unknown.

"This should be a diary" is…

"This should be a diary" is usually meant a compliment - they're saying that the OP wrote a good, long post, which deserves to be on the sidebar longer than a typical message board post will last.

They'll be his players, but…

They'll be his players, but it's a lot to ask a coach to effectively build a roster from scratch in one offseason and be competitive.  Fans are going to need to be patient next season.

Moser is not a great…

Moser is not a great comparison.  Moser had a pretty nondescript career for a long time, including getting fired from one job (Illinois State) and having to go back to being an assistant, until he achieved a breakthrough in his 14th year as a head coach.

May's situation is very different.  He inherited a program that was seriously down in the dumps, immediately got them to a higher level, started posting winning conference records from year three on and then had a massive breakthrough in year five.  This, at a commuter school with apparently terrible facilities and almost no history of success.

You could argue that his track record isn't all that long, which is true enough, but that was also going to be the case for pretty much anyone we were targeting.

 Before that group, he was…

 Before that group, he was bad

I don't think that's a fair assessment.  May replaced Michael Curry (YTMC), who posted these records:

9-20 (2-16 CUSA)

8-25 (5-13)

10-20 (6-12)

12-19 (6-12)

May then posted these records:

17-16 (8-10)

17-15 (8-10)

13-10 (7-5)

19-15 (11-7)

35-4 (18-2)

25-9 (14-4 AAC)

Every one of his seasons was better than any of Curry's, both overall and in conference.

Warde Manuel did it.  Well…

Warde Manuel did it.  Well done!

It’s a little harsh but I’m…

It’s a little harsh, but I’m surprised anyone would be so riled about it that they’d complain.  

They're surely waiting to…

They're surely waiting to see how Diebler finishes the season, but there is no way they would have (publicly) made an external hire while the season is going on, unless that coach was out of work at the time.

a city of 900K+ in a metro…

a city of 900K+ in a metro area of 2M+.

This an example of how cities can effectively game the system by annexing lots and lots of land.  The city of Columbus covers 220 square miles and its metro area officially covers ten counties.  

People said this when we…

People said this when we fired Amaker.  No one good was going to come to Michigan, because we wouldn't invest in facilities.  Well, Beilein did come, and he successfully lobbied for facility upgrades.  You hire the right coach and things tend to work themselves out.

My opinion: I didn't like…

My opinion: I didn't like how the Michigan fanbase quickly turned on Juwan Howard. 

Look, I don't care to pile on the man - I loved the Fab Five - but when you inherit a program that has won 30 games in consecutive seasons and reached the national title game one year before your hiring, and then go 8-24 a few years later, with a team of your own recruits, you're going to lose the fanbase.  When you throw in the anger incidents, that only makes it worse.

The Shannon/Love/Kante situations wouldn't have been so disastrous if we'd found replacements for them.  A coach has to have a plan B if plan A doesn't work out.  Beilein lost his share of recruiting battles, and had a recruit (Robin Benzing) fail to qualify, but when that happened, he would find someone else that could fit in the program.  With Howard, if we missed on a guy, that was it.

I wish Howard all the best and sincerely hope this is not the end of his coaching career.  But I think he is probably better suited for the NBA.

I certainly follow our #2…

I certainly follow our #2 and #3 sports.  Manuel's hires in those (Howard and Pearson) didn't work out the best, and yet, they were easy hiring decisions.  Time will tell about Naurato.

Beyond that, our most successful programs have tended to have coaches whose hirings predated Manuel. 

He made the right move here, and in a timely fashion.  I have no complaint about how he handled Howard.  But I'm not sure how much confidence I have in him to find the right replacement.  There is no obvious candidate this time.  I hope my concern turns out to be misplaced.

we’re winning conference…

we’re winning conference titles at an unprecedented rate and competing on the national stage

Well, our #1 sport has been doing that.  For the rest of our sports, it's a mixed bag.

Hubert Davis was an…

Hubert Davis was an assistant coach at UNC for a decade before he was promoted to the top job.  That's quite a bit different.  I think we're talking more about guys who not only have no HC experience, but have been away from the college game for a long time (25 years, in Juwan Howard's case).

The football staff also…

The football staff also brought in Haussmann, an underclassman.  They've understood the parameters and worked within them.

The issues I see are 1) basketball has gone after guys two years running when it wasn't sure they could get admitted and 2) when they didn't get admitted, had no plan B.

So why did the "mutual…

So why did the "mutual departure" happen in the middle of March?

The waiver would be about…

The waiver would be about him returning after declaring for the draft, I think.

I was not a fan of "natty"…

I was not a fan of "natty" for a while, but I accept at this point that it's becoming an "old man yells at cloud" position.

Oh and we replaced half our…

Oh and we replaced half our coaches.

Don't forget that we beat them with Harbaugh suspended, and just days after Partridge was fired.  We should (hopefully) not have that kind of in-season coaching instability again.

OSU also has to replace its QB, and by far its most dangerous player.  And the pressure on them will be massive.

It is true that the French…

It is true that the French political class (like much of the British political class, aside from Churchill) in 1939 was not enthusiastic about war, with the memory of the previous bloodbath still fresh, as well as that significant factions on the two political extremes did not even support the Third Republic as it was.  This was in stark contrast to 1914, when all of the major parties rallied behind the war effort.

Once it was clear (in June 1940) that Paris could not be defended, a majority of the parliament decided to followed the advice of Pétain (himself a former WWI commander) who called for an armistice.  

WWI?  France fought that one…

WWI?  France fought that one to the bitter end and paid a terrible price for it - six million casualties, out of a population of 40 million - a whole generation of men - not to mention being left with a swath of destruction across its entire northeastern border, where the trenches had been.

To put that into perspective, this would be like the United States today suffering 50 million casualties in four years and having the whole northern or southern border zone in ruins.  The scale of carnage of that war is hard to comprehend.  

If that's correct about him,…

If that's correct about him, I wouldn't say admissions did anything wrong.  They offered him a path to enrolling here.  Worthy just had different priorities.

Wasn't Worthy the one that…

Wasn't Worthy the one that tried to do his entire senior year of HS online in one semester, and Michigan said he wouldn't be admitted in January, only in June if he took another semester of high school, and he wasn't interested in that plan?

Considering we were the best…

Considering we were the best team in college fb this year

And 40-3 over the past three seasons, with three consecutive Big Ten titles.  Michigan fans don't need to have any regrets about 2021-23.

I think it's a basic…

I think it's a basic courtesy to not play music out loud in a crowded, public place.  The people around you shouldn't be forced to put up with it.  

It sounds like the elder man…

It sounds like the elder man was complaining that the young guy was playing his music too loud, which apparently offended the latter's personal honor.  

Earbuds, folks.

without the kinds of…

without the kinds of scholarship rules that exist now

I don't think Michigan even gave out athletic scholarships in the 1940s.

And Howard ID'ed guys in the…

And Howard ID'ed guys in the portal - Shannon and Love - that would have been IMMENSELY helpful on those teams but they weren't able to matriculate to UM because of the school's, frankly, archaic view of credit transfers.  

An important aspect of recruiting at this school is identifying players who can get admitted.  U-M, as a rule, wants its undergraduates to complete a majority of their credits here to receive a degree.  Call that what you want but it's unlikely to change.  It's incumbent on any coach here to work within those parameters.  Better to bring in a guy who's a little less talented than Shannon/Love but can get admitted than, well, no one.

The Evan Turner game…

The Evan Turner game happened in 2010.  The NW game happened in 2017.  Trying to make a trend out of two games seven years apart is a reach.

There is no Beilein-era analogy for what's gone on these past few seasons.  The closest comparison I can see is the Ellerbe years.

Like many others, I bought…

Like many others, I bought into the hype when Howard was hired.  I had been a big Fab Five fan and wanted to believe he'd keep the machine rolling.   But in hindsight, hiring a coach who'd been away from college basketball for 25 years (since he was a player) really didn't make a lot of sense.  

There was a time when JB had…

There was a time when JB had a bad string of close game results

I'm curious what you're thinking of?

I remember the 16-16 team (which lost its starting backcourt to injury) losing a bunch of OT games but that's about it.   

We're not going to fire our…

We're not going to fire our admissions people because the men's basketball program - which recently was thriving, mind you - is now in last place.

If our coach can't function within the parameters of admissions, we need to find one who can.

The Maginot Line rule.  Out…

The Maginot Line rule.  Out of date and programs will just go around it through the Ardennes Forest

The Maginot Line functioned as intended.  Its purpose was to discourage the Germans from invading France directly, and instead go through Belgium, as in 1914.  That came to pass.  The Allies expected this to happen, but the problem was that they massed their troops in a way that left the Ardennes sector more lightly defended than the rest, thinking its terrain would be too complicated to pass through.  They correctly anticipated the invasion via Belgium, but thought it would be on the flatter plains to the west. 

The French high command was unimaginative in its thinking overall, but the Maginot Line itself wasn't that bad of an idea.

He was basically a caretaker…

He was basically a caretaker, with no major hires to make.  Football, basketball and hockey all had their coaches in place.  It was, however, under his watch that Ed Martin became closely associated with Fisher's program.    

Reality is he is top 5…

Reality is he is top 5 college coach now.

OK, Saban and Harbaugh are now gone, but would you have considered Sarkisian a top seven coach one year ago?

A single season shouldn't move the needle that much.

OSU was 12-4 entering our…

OSU was 12-4 entering our game.  They're 3-7 since, including today's win.

I think the biggest issue is…

I think the biggest issue is that the tournament tends to be dominated by guard-centered teams while Big Ten teams still tend to build around big men.