trueblue262

December 22nd, 2016 at 2:40 PM ^

But this has nothing to do with those at all......

Sounds like they just want something to report.......even if its nothing.

I will say this, Harris is keeping it cool and not showing his cards about as well as he could through this whole process.......And the irony of it all......He's committed to Alabama.

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ih8losing

December 22nd, 2016 at 2:41 PM ^

After Leatherwood reaffirmed his commitment to Bama, losing Wilson to UGA in my opinion sealed Harris to Bama. I know, I know, negative Nellie but our OL is our weakest point and that is absolutely key for a great running game.



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mgoblueben

December 22nd, 2016 at 4:32 PM ^

Haha okay. 4 seasoned veterans across the line and we have to replace 3 possibly 4. How the hell do you think we improve! Just go sit in the corner and think about what you've done. Dawson, kugler, JBB, Runyan, Ulizio, Onwenu? A hurt Newsome? So far Ruiz is the only linemen that might step in and see minutes but you should know the rule about freshman lineman.

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TheTeamTheTeam…

December 22nd, 2016 at 6:55 PM ^

Scenario #1: Kick Cole out to LT where he was a two year starter, insert Kugler at Center, Bredeson plays at LG, Insert Dawson/Onwenu at RG and put JBB at RT. Is it great? no but not bad. In this scenario you have a two-year starting LT(3rd year actual starter), a Freshmen All B1G LG, a RS SR Center, a RS SR RG or a SO that was good enough to earn immediate playing time, and a RS JR RT. This scenario assumes Newsome needs awhile to return.

Left to right we have Cole-Bredeson-Kugler-Dawson/Onwenu-JBB

Scenario #2: Kick cole out to Tackle, Keep Bredeson at LG, insert #1 C Ruiz, Kugler/Dawson/Onwenu at RG, and JBB at RT. Is it great? No, but still not terrible. In this scenario you have a two-year starting LT(3rd year actual starter), a Freshmen All B1G LG, a true FR center,  a RS SR RG or a SO that was good enough to earn immediate playing time, and a RS JR RT. This scenario assumes Newsome needs awhile to return.

Left to right we have Cole-Bredeson-Ruiz-Dawson/Onwenu/Kugler-JBB

Scenario #3 Keep Cole at Center. Keep Bredeson at LG. Insert Dawson/Onwenu at RG and put JBB at LT. Now the RT is one off the FR recruits (if Filiaga commits smart money is on him however Honigford is my wildcard for absolutely no reason at all). In this scenario you have a  LT with game experience but was a liability this year, a Freshmen All B1G LG, a SR Center that has started every game hes been on campus,  a RS SR RG or a SO that was good enough to earn immediate playing time, and a true FR RT. This scenario assumes Newsome needs awhile to return.

Left to right we have JBB-Bredeson-Cole-Dawson/Onwenu/Kugler-Filiaga/other FR

Scenario #4: In this scenario I will assume Newsome is ready to go. Newsome starts at LT, Bredeson at LG, Cole at C, Dawson/Onwenu/Kugler at RG, and either a true FR RT or JBB. In this scenario you have a solid LT with game experience but is coming off a big time injury, a Freshmen All B1G LG, a SR Center that has started every game hes been on campus,  a RS SR RG or a SO that was good enough to earn immediate playing time, and a true FR RT or a former liability at LT. 

Left to right we have Newsome-Bredeson-Cole-Dawson/Onwenu/Kugler-JBB/FR

 

Are these the only options? no, just the most common scenarios I have ran through in my head. This is just like, my opinion man, but I dont think our line will be doom and gloom next year. The only reason I mostly kick JBB to RT is to prevent a true FR, however it is possible that the true FR is better. That said other than #4 I like #2 the most. I'd love to hear the boards thoughts, even the chicken littles. The thing I always try to keep in mind is there is always at least one wild card that comes from no where. Ulizio got some buzz from practice a while back and Dreveno is a good coach.

 

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Blau

December 22nd, 2016 at 6:26 PM ^

Considering Harris is probably good enough to play right away or possibly start, I can't see why a fellow 2017 classmate O lineman who he might not even actually play on the same field potentially for a couple years would change his recruiting process? Wilson and Leatherwood are good but considering there are 4 other O lineman (5 inlcuding a TE), I don't see Harris deflecting at a perceived weakness. Also our line may take a hit from a personnel perspective but they'll be just fine. You're acting as if these guys are taught by Darrel Funk or something.

 

 

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gopoohgo

December 22nd, 2016 at 2:54 PM ^

2011: Mark Ingram, 1st round, 28th pick
2012: Trent Richardson, 1st round, 3rd pick
2013: Eddie Lacy, 2nd round, 29th pick
2014: No RB
2015: TJ Yeldon, 2nd round, 4th pick
2016: Derrick Henry, 2nd round, 14th pick, Kenyan Drake 3rd round, 14th pick.  

That is a pretty damn impressive list of RBs that got drafted.  Yeah there have been busts...but damn.

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canzior

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:09 PM ^

bad argument. Yes, they all got drafted, but you can argue that any of them are busts, although Henry is only in year 1.  ALL have massively underperformed.  I would also check to see how many carries they had going into the draft.  The number of carries could be the reason they under perform which i think is the point he was getting at. 

It is a very impressive list of college running backs though.  You are correct.

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reddogrjw

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:16 PM ^

Harbaugh has been selling RB's on not burning them out in college and rotating them so they get good film, are fresh, and still desireable to the NFL based on his experience

 

none of those RB's other than maybe Ingram have sustained anything in the pros

 

normally, a Heisman guy like Henry with that resume would go higher, but Saban ran him into the ground, as opposed to Elliot, who Meyer rested a lot (like against Michigan State lol) - it is more than just that but this is the line Harbaugh is telling people

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Michigan4Life

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:56 PM ^

2007:

Anthony Kimble: 115 carries

Jeremy Stewart: 110 carries

2008:

Toby Gerhart: 210 carries

Anthony Kimble: 110 carries

2009:

Toby Gerhart: 343 carries

Andrew Luck: 61 carries

2010:

Stefan Taylor 228 carries

Anthony Wilkerson 89 carries

2011:

Frank Gore: 282 carries

Kendall Hunter: 112 carries

2012:

Frank Gore: 258 carries

Kendall Hunter: 72 carries

2013:

Frank Gore: 278 carries

Colin Kaepernick: 92 carries

2014:

Frank Gore: 255 carries

Colin Kaepernick: 104 carries

2015:

De'Veon Smith: 180 carries

Jake Rudock: 58 carries

2016:

De'Veon Smith: 165 carries

Chris Evans: 80 carries

 

Saban Bama RBs:

2007:

Terry Grant: 180 carries

Glen Coffee: 129 carries

2008:

Glen Coffee: 233 carries

Mark Ingram: 143 carries

2009:

Mark Ingram: 271 carries

Trent Richardson: 145 carries

2010:

Mark Ingram: 158 carries

Trent Richardson: 112 carries

2011:

Trent Richardson: 283 carries

Eddie Lacy: 95 carries

2012:

Eddie Lacy: 204 carries

TJ Yeldon: 175 carries

2013:

TJ Yeldon: 207 carries

Keyon Drake: 92 carries

2014:

TJ Yeldon: 194 carries

Derrick Henry: 172 carries

2015:

Derrick Henry: 395 carries

Keyon Drake: 77 carries

2016:

Jalen Hurts: 162 carries

Damien Harris: 132 carries

Bo Scarbough: 90 carries

Only twice Saban ride on his RB which is 2011 and 2015 but the rest are pretty much a shared workload.

As for Jim Harbaugh, he likes to ride on one RB and stick with him if he's effective.

 

Both coaches with new team tends to distribute carries evenly in first two seasons but after that, there is a clear trends for both coaches. Saban will rotate backs if both are effective but will ride on one RB if a backup isn't effective.  Harbaugh tends to ride on one back and rarely rotates in backup RBs.

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Ihatebux

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:18 PM ^

I wouldn't say Ingram, Lacy or Yeldon are busts.   Lacy has been hurt and Yeldon plays for a crappy team, but all 3 have been multi-season NFL starters.  

Ingram has started for 6 years on a mostly passing team and has rushed for over 4000 yds.

Yeldon has 1200yds rushing in 2 years for Jax.  The Lions would love him.

Lacy has two 1200yd seasons!!!

 

Who's the last UM multi year RB starter??   Don't say Denard...not a starter.  Don't say Rawls...not multi year and not UM.

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gopoohgo

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:18 PM ^

Many have been busts.  However, last year a 3rd round draft pick got a 4 year, $3 million contract, with $682K in guaranteed money.  Very few 3rd rounders get dropped until year 3.  So even if you are a bust, you are going to walk away with over $2 million, plus have been in the league long enough to qualify for the NFL veterans pension and benefits.  

Not a bad gig.

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Hard-Baughlls

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:54 PM ^

Hey,

Come play here behind the best O-line in the country every year and we will make you look great against "the best conference SEC!!!!" and get you a high draft pick even if you are a B to B- running back.....we get you an A+ draft spot and $

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Blau

December 22nd, 2016 at 6:39 PM ^

but the guy's job is to get his players, RBs included, to championships, Heisman's and the NFL Draft. The poster above spelled this out pretty emphatically. I don't see where this is Saban's or Alabama's priority to see they excel once drafted and possibly become busts.

I'll go back to bashing the SEC, Saban and the Confederacy now.

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MGoMatt30

December 22nd, 2016 at 3:28 PM ^

“I think he’s going to stay committed to Alabama,” Tagovailoa told SEC Country. “He has a great relationship with many of us who are being recruited to Alabama. I talked to him last month and he didn’t say anything about Michigan.”

A.  Why would he be talking about Michigan with Bama people...

B. This was before his visit to Michigan, which by all acccounts, he hasn't spoke with anyone since so everything about his recuitment is all sepculation since then.  Sam Webb said everyone inside Schembechler believe he's going blue. Bama thinks he's going blue.  We should know soon.

Also, Michigan offered Najee 11 days before Bama... but sure, they found him when no one else wanted him.

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nowicki2005

December 22nd, 2016 at 4:19 PM ^

If you were a kid and you didn't like attention and hated the recruiting process and we're committed to Alabama, wouldNY you just come out and say you're going to Alabama and everyone would stop speculating?

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Miami Maize

December 22nd, 2016 at 5:39 PM ^

If Harris were such a lock for Satan, er Saban, why wouldn't he just re-affirm his commitment like Leatherwood did when he was being courted by Michigan?

I don't buy the "he's just private"  and "he doesn't tweet" arguments.  As a #1 recruit wanted by every program in existence, he could milk this for all it's worth and push all undecideds to Alabama.  The fact that he's not re-affirming like Leatherwood did suggests he isn't as sold on their program as much as these other clowns claim he is.

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TBuck97

December 22nd, 2016 at 6:42 PM ^

I'm not banking on anything but I like the fact that he doesn't bring up UM to Alabama recruits. The fact that he has not re-affirmed his commitment and doesn't talk about it could also be a very good thing. But not getting my hopes up.

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ColeIsCorky

December 22nd, 2016 at 8:27 PM ^

Najee and DPJ are really good friends by the way. Met up in camps and have been pretty tight since. Sam stated that DPJ's commitment helped Michigan's cause.

I say this because I don't think relationships with Alabama players give them any sort of advantage. Najee's made similar relationships at Michigan.

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