OT: NCAA Ineptitude Reaches a New Level
NCAA President Mark Emmert continues to amaze. Here he is saying that Ayton would not be instructed to sit because there was no investigation or process underway, just a yahoo report.
President Emmert made the choice to exclude himself from the decision to hold either Coach Miller or Ayton accountable for the allegations. During an interview with CBS, Emmert said, “First and foremost, that a decision the school has to make. We don’t reach in and tell a school that a player can or can’t play tonight, unless there is an open investigation going on that’s already been through a whole process. There’s been no process here. We’ve got a report in the media. I’ll let everyone make their own determination on the credibility of that.”
However, Arizona lawyer Paul Kelly in stating why Ayton was elligible to play said the following:
“Over the past several months, Mr. Ayton has voluntarily submitted to several interviews, by federal prosecutors and the FBI, by University and PAC-12 compliance officials, by representatives of the NCAA, and by Steptoe & Johnson, the independent law firm engaged by the University to review these matters,” the statement said.
Interesting contradiction here. It could all be about that word "process", but I wonder why Emmert would lead everyone to believe that no investigation had taken place and that this was just a report? It's definitely looking like the NCAA has no interest in punishing dirty schools and instead is considering rule changes as a fix.
February 26th, 2018 at 4:42 PM ^
We already know Emmert is incompetent. And we know the NCAA is a cash cow. Emmert has no interest in compromising the tournament, or the NCAA really. He's a joke and so is the NCAA.
February 26th, 2018 at 5:15 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 10:19 PM ^
He's not incompetent. He, like Roger Goodell, is a useful stooge for his employers. By giving up any shred of honesty and toeing the party line like a champ, he allows the legal facade of amateurism to continue. That in turn allows his employers, the big D1 colleges (who wield all the power, no one in Indianapolis gives a shit about Nebraska Wesleyan), to continue making money off the unpaid labor of 18-22 year old men.
The NCAA is a joke, yes, but if you assume that their main goal is to continue to make millions of dollars without paying their most important employees, they're doing alright. And Emmert's doing his job.
February 26th, 2018 at 10:59 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 4:43 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 4:46 PM ^
That last statement made me spit out my soda.
February 26th, 2018 at 5:05 PM ^
...that the NCAA said that. I think what they said was, "Yeah...okay". At this point, I don't believe that the NCAA or the schools are in a position to have completed "a thorough investigation", so the NCAA is essentially say, "it's on you (if it turns out that the player or the coach violated NCAA rules).
February 26th, 2018 at 8:24 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 10:11 PM ^
it doesn't matter if these guys play. they've already played all year, so if they are found to be dirty, the teams will have to forfeit games either way. may as well play and see if you can deny, hide and/or destroy any info out there. or just hope no hard documents are found.
February 27th, 2018 at 7:45 AM ^
So do we wish for Sparty to get ban-hammered before or after they hang their banner? What would hurt their feelings the most?
February 26th, 2018 at 5:12 PM ^
...are going to take the "nothing matters" approach that works so well in our country right now and combine totally unbelievable denials of guilt with dares to the NCAA to follow through on the courage of their convictions. And I fear the NCAA will not have the courage of their convictions (though the recent sanction of Louisville suggests my fear may be unfounded).
February 26th, 2018 at 6:09 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 6:04 PM ^
Mike Spath tweeted a quote from a school compliance officer that basically said this:
if MSU/NCAA cleared Bridges in 24hrs, all they did was make 2-3 calls to his parents/Bridges, asked if they know of anyone taking money, they all said 'nope' and bang it's been "verified"
it's up to the schools (MSU say) to do all this research*, forward it to the NCAA in a short memo (I'd guess 2 pages max) and then the NCAA says, "okey dokey you're all good." The NCAA doesn't have the staff to be able to do all these inquires themselves, which is why they leave it to the schools to do it.
* note, as Spath quoted in his tweet, that the Univ compliance people have no interest in finding the truth, just in clearing the player which means asking as few questions and do as little research as possible.
February 26th, 2018 at 7:14 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 9:26 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 10:18 PM ^
As Emmert said, they haven't investigated anyone. The schools all reached out with their own reports and asked if they should be sitting the named players based on whatever data their compliance departments pulled together in 24-48 hours.
The NCAA will absolutely not rush into any investigations here because they realize the FBI has subpoena power and is gathering evidence for them - evidence that may not become fully available to them for 2-3 more years (if ever). The last thing they are going to do is start suspending (or telling schools to sit) players based on partial evidence from a Yahoo story. What happens if they give Bridges a 4 game suspension, and it turns out Dawkins was fudging his expense reports to steal from his boss? Or they hand out a 4 game suspension and it turns out there's proof he got paid $100k and the punishment is nowhere near suitable for the offense? (Ignore the fact he's gone after a few more games)
What will happen is 3 or so years from the NCAA will crack down on these players by forcing their teams to vacate wins, while the players are 2 years into their NBA contracts and endorsement deals, and the coaches who know they're cooked are either in prison for fraud/tax evasion or (if the FBI exposes them for serious cheating but no crimes committed) sipping cocktails in some tropical paradise. The NCAA does not have subpoena power, nobody is ever honest with them and theres pretty much nothing they can do about it, and their #1 interest is money which is made by having star players on the court.
Players will either be paid, or allowed endorsement deals/loans in the VERY near future or else star players will bypass the NCAA in hordes.
February 26th, 2018 at 4:43 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 5:15 PM ^
Emmert is voted in by university presidents and his focus is on keeping them happy and the money flowing in. They'll punish a few schools here and there but the rest of the Dukes and msu's will claim "how could we have known anything?" and nothing will happen to them.
No way K or Izzo would be stupid enough to be recorded like Miller.
February 26th, 2018 at 10:17 PM ^
i believe izzo did meet with that asst agent for lunch. and they have thousands of hours of wire tap tape on him. so it's possible izzo may be on tape as well as stephens...hopefully we find out...soon.
February 26th, 2018 at 4:46 PM ^
Michigan might as well start paying players in football and basketball if the NCAA president doesn't even care about the rules.
February 26th, 2018 at 4:56 PM ^
and everyone else was doing it - I believe Beilein wouldn't. He is just that kind of character guy.
He is an awesome hybrid of Bo Schembechler and Mr. Rogers.
February 26th, 2018 at 5:37 PM ^
I would rather "fans" like you left and found another school to root for. You simply don't get it.
February 26th, 2018 at 5:56 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 8:08 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 9:10 PM ^
I find other things more important.
February 26th, 2018 at 4:50 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 4:54 PM ^
I think it's fair for the NCAA to say, "we aren't going to force a school to sit a player until we've had a chance to gather the relevant information," and maybe they haven't because who knows what is being shared with whom.
At the same time, he's making it sound like this whole story is a bunch of wild accusations. He should have just shut his mouth after the first part.
February 26th, 2018 at 4:59 PM ^
That's my point. The extra info he added that was then unkowingly contracticted by the Arizona Lawyer makes it look like the NCAA is in on sweeping this all under the rug.
February 26th, 2018 at 5:08 PM ^
Yes, it's a contradiction, I agree.
February 26th, 2018 at 4:51 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 4:54 PM ^
Why? Why even rethink the rules if you won't enforce them. Sounds like wasted time to me. Just stay out and let the schools and conferences run themselves.
February 26th, 2018 at 4:54 PM ^
Believe me I'm no fan of Emmert but what did he say that was incompetent? Basically what he said was the NCAA hasnt started an investigation (didnt say they werent going to, just said they hadnt started yet) and that as of now all that's out there is the Yahoo article based on their sources in the FBI. All of which is true.
I dont see what people thought would happen. Was there an expectation that based upon leaked information within the FBI investigation punishment would be metted out to the named schools? Seriously - did people here think that was going to happen somehow.
Look I think Emmert's as big of a douche as anybody but what he said wasnt wrong and wasnt incompetent by any means IMO.
February 26th, 2018 at 5:09 PM ^
The point of the post wasn't to call Emmert a douche. The point of the post is to bring to light a concerning contradiction between the insinuation by Emmert that the reason these players (Ayton) weren't being suspended is because there is no investigation going on to do so. In contrast to that the Arizona lawyer stating that his client has been interviewed many times for months by various entities including NCAA representatives. It's an interesting contradiction between the two and generally contradicting stories are noteworthy.
Your assumptions about what we expected are just assumptions and not a part of this post.
February 26th, 2018 at 6:42 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 9:14 PM ^
Agreed.
February 26th, 2018 at 9:22 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 4:58 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 4:59 PM ^
...that the NCAA didn't "clear" Bridges to play against Wisconsin or going forward.
February 26th, 2018 at 5:12 PM ^
It is similar in that I wouldn't have blamed the NCAA to have simply said "we won't force MSU to sit Bridges until we have had a chance to do a thorough investigation of the allegations." But to say they "cleared" him makes it sound like they actually did do a thorough investigation, which doesn't seem to jive with reality.
February 26th, 2018 at 5:25 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 5:28 PM ^
Don't get a tattoo though! That will ruin the sanctity of our great sport.
February 26th, 2018 at 7:55 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 5:55 PM ^
Headed out to San Diego next week, son graduates bootcamp MCRD, Semper Fi Go Blue.
February 26th, 2018 at 5:09 PM ^
sitting a kid down because of Yahoo report is not right. Whatever happend to due process?
February 26th, 2018 at 5:18 PM ^
Due process is what I think we all want. Except in criminal cases, most school athletics programs have policies that an athlete under criminal charges should sit until those are resolved. That's in the best interest of the athlete and the team. I'm looking at you MSU.
The problem coming to light is there is no process. None at all. You can throw a due process discussion out the window when you realize that nothing will ever come of this.
February 26th, 2018 at 5:22 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 5:26 PM ^
the NCAA can not get any lower, a trap door opens...
February 26th, 2018 at 5:40 PM ^
February 26th, 2018 at 5:46 PM ^
There is no plausible deniability from anyone. We are looking at a drop in the bucket that is the NCAA's and member institituion's corruption. Everyone is lying even to themselves because they are getting rich as hell off of all of our (collective) fandom. The whole thing is a giant, breathing, corrupt ball of shameless money. The athletes are paying for it in hard work. We are paying for it in money and time, and anyone else even tangentially apart of it are getting rich as hell. Everyone knows it. We need to stop letting people lie to us and themselves about it. Blow it up. Get over any qualms you have with blowing it up. It's all a giant lie.
The sports won't go away after we blow it up. It'll just be structured differently, so everyone doesn't have to lie to themselves and others and us.
Until then, this whole thing is the peak of ignorance. It's an insult that they get to lie this way.