OT: J.D. Martinez traded to Arizona
What the title says, he was traded for Dawel Lugo, Sergio Alcantar and Josh King. Do not really know that much about them.
Dawel Lugo, Sergio Alcantara and Jose King
looks like the firesale is starting
Is it Josh King or Jose King? Cause I'm guessing one of those dudes is way more Dominican than the other...
either that or MLB.com did..
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/242930486/d-backs-acquire-jd-martinez-fro…
Can we trade Al Avila for a can of Faygo and a bag of chips to be named later? This is the worst f'ing deal possible!
you would never get Rock and Rye and Better Made for Al Avila (Jr. or Sr.)
If you throw in a car full of fat chicks, you have a deal.
I'm even more pissed about the trade than I was last night while watching the game.
Even though it was inevitable that JD was going to be traded by the deadline, why so early and for so fuckity little in return??!!!
This looks like possibly the worst trade we could have conceivably made with JD. W. T. F.
Why? Needed position players and two are already ready defensively for the big leagues.
At 3B and SS? Neither guys are an upgrade over our current players at those positions, and they don't project to have particularly high ceilings either.
just said all three are "modest prospects." If that is true, it is an embarrasingly horrible trade.
GO DBACKS! YEA BABY!
Oh really? Did we need 3 Shortstops? Who is ready for the bigs, Lugo? He won't displace Iggy at SS, so we would have to play him at 3B. I'm all for booting Castellanos, but I'm not exactly giddy about a guy who has only hit over .300 once in the minors, in a season in which he got demoted from AA to Adv A.
So for one of the best hitters in the AL we got a mediocre SS/3B and the two more SS who won't be ready for the bigs for another 2-3 years each. We got the D-Backs 4th, 14th, and 25th best prospects. Their #1 prospect is the 68th ranked prospect in the world. This is not a good farm system. For that we gave a WS contender a .300, 30 HR guy.
This is a despicable trade.
I was actually looking forward to this retooling of the team. This is starting out as a bummer.
Can we trade for Theo Epstein?
Why?
Because the Tigers received a higher rated prospect, mid-rated prospect and a low-rated prospect from one of the very few farm systems that is worse than the Tigers. The highest rated prospect has been falling the down the D'Backs farm rankings and never was a Top-50ish guy anyway.
Two weeks before the deadline, possessing the top bat on the market, and Avila gets three guys who most likely top out at Dixon Machado/Andrew Romine types.
Of course, its prospects, so we may be pleasantly surprised. But on the surface with the info we have now.....yeeeeesh.
Not even close.
The D-backs threw in a handful of mgic beans and the deed to the Ambassador Bridge.
can any of those guys take over second base next year?
he's 25
machado can't hit.
He's hitting 77 points better than Kinsler this year
he has a career 0.060 ISO in the bigs.
His career that consists of 68 games played? He is besting our current 2B in BA, OBP, SLG, and OPS, his FP is over .950 and his Range Factor is better than Ian's. He's 10 years younger than Kinsler.
I'm not predicting Machado will be a career .310 hitter and golden glove winner, but the idea that he's vastly worse than the current version of Kinsler is verifiably false. He's younger, he's cheaper, and in terms of total value he's probably not worse than Kinsler. He can be our 2B.
we'll have to agree to disagree. machado has, is, and will always be terrible.
60+ games is plenty of time to show one can hit more than a couple extra base hits a year.
When facts and stats get in the way of my argument too. Chris Shelton's first 69 games in his first full MLB season he was batting .331 with 12 homeruns and an OBP .398, SLG .555 and an OPS .953. Fair to say that wasn't very indicative of how well he could continue to hit in the majors. Anthony Rizzo, after his first 49 MLB games had a stat line consisting of BA of .141, OBP .281, SLG .242 OPS .523. Jim Thome, after 67 games had an BA of .220 and had only hit 3 home runs....so no, 60+ games is not plenty of time to show that one person can hit in MLB.
Sorry, but you can't on one hand use the argument that his career is only 68 games deep and then argue in the same post that it is verifiably false than the current version of Kinsler. Sample size is either big enough or it is not. Can't have it both ways.
I did not contradict myself.
He used a career statistic, to which my response was that his career has not been long enough to consider that career statistic (not to mention that the statistic he gave isn't necessarily important). I was comparing Machado and Kinsler's 2017 statistics, not Machado's career averages to Kinsler's.
Had I compared their career averages and then said that he hasn't played in enough games to have a significant sample size, then you would be correct.
For The best position player available.
No thanks. Can't hit
Arizona's farm system stinks. The best player Detroit received in the deal doesn't project to be much more than an average bat and solid defender at 3B if he sticks there. Not surprised we managed to get such a modest return considering how the franchise leaders have functioned recently.
Last I checked, Castellanos is our 3B and Iglesias will likely be gone. So essentially Avila is hoping that one of these 3 can become our SS. Because, of course, buying 3 shitty things is always better than buying 1. I need to remember to invite Avila to my fantasy baseball league next year so I can fleece him.
I thought we have Iglesias through 2019, but I'm not sure if there is an option or someway we could part with him early next year? I think Iglesias has enough fielding and athleticism on the basepath that he is valuable, so long as he is hitting .250. Although, by the end of 2019 it would be nice to have a younger option.
Iglesias is on his way to Houston for their 47th rated prospect
Yeah, I wasn't projecting that Lugo was going to replace Castellanos. I'd even wager that Lugo never plays an inning at 3B for Detroit. Not sure what the Tiger's plans are for Iglesias once his contract is up, but I'd be surprised if Alcantara was an upgrade over Iggy at any point. King is too far off to project.
But yes, Avila is trash. We're in for a long, brutal rebuild if he is running the show.
That is a dog shit deal.
Lugo has no power and no speed.
Alcantara is 5'9'' with no offensive skills.
King the same. Garbage.
And ALL OF THEM ARE SHORTSTOPS!
Dawel Lugo is a top 5 prospect overall by both Baseball America and MLB.com.
Top 5 in the Diamondbacks system not overall.
Yep. My bad. I misread it.
He's Top 5 in their system. Their top prospect is 68th overall. None of these cats are Top 200 prospects.
Are you Al Avila?
i don't think they even have a top 100 prospect, and we just got their #4. it's awful. i'd rather have the compensatory draft pick
None of the guys were rated by Keith Law in his top 8 for their organization. We just traded an All-Star for three bit players. Remember two years ago that Dombrowski we traded Cespedes for Fulmer.
This is a dumb move this far from the trade deadline. Either the team wins a couple more games to be 3-4 games out heading into August, or they trade guys to teams really desperate in the hours before the deadline.
in exchange for Cespedes. I'd expect a better return than this in exchange for Wilson.
considered a 5 tool player. JD has about half that number. He's regularly injured, nearing 30 and a FA at the end of the year. He was one of my favorite Tigers but the Tigers have been trying to trade him since winter, he just wasn't fetching the offers.
There's a reason why he bounced from Oakland to Boston to Detroit. Plus, he was JD's age when we traded him in 2015.
The reason JD wasn't traded in the offseason was because Mr. I was still alive and they couldn't go into full sell mode with him still around. The selloff was announced after last season, then it stopped after Maybin was traded for a minor league pitcher with a low ceiling.
I expect it will shred your argument to little pieces.
Plus, why would age be an issue for a rental player?
he's top 5 in Arizona's system, not all of baseball
(Edited for no politics)
dog shit return
I'm not sure I'm getting very excited one way or the other about anything the Tigers do at this point.
Bring on Florida!