MGlobules

January 30th, 2018 at 5:38 PM ^

even as a huge swath of MSU fans, now showing their true colors, are using the charges against Izzo and Dantonio to set aside their professed mortification at the biggest serial rape case in US history and instead feign outrage at ESPN's attacks on their coach-deities. (As if ESPN hadn't been slathering their noogies with love for a decade and more.) In that sense, in spite of the considerable self-love she exhibits in the article, the opportunity to brag, she may be helping out a little. (Go over to RCMB--they're hating on her pretty heavily as I write.)

This is going to be the strategy going forward: separate these things, unite the MSU community around the professed injustice toward Izzo and Dantonio. This won't be so different from what happened with JoePa. Don't be surprised if Engler adopts this tone. 

The bigger picture is still damning. "Even without knowledge of the Nassar allegations, the Office for Civil Rights investigation. . . ended with findings that MSU had fostered a 'sexually hostile environment' on campus." What they found was that not just a few but most women who were attacked could not get simple due process, let alone attention. And cases involving athletes were handled separately, and buried. It sure looks like Dantonio and Izzo did some of the burying. 

If they can continue to make Nassar the lone wolf, a single source of evil, they will. 

Goblueman

January 30th, 2018 at 6:04 PM ^

Hill is being more objective but as I said above,that's an incrediably low bar...Where has she been for the last 8 years? Hell,I'm an old retired HS Coach and even I saw enough smoke in 2010 to know there's a fire there (meaning Payne-Appling).A REAL Journalist would have been on that caper ala Woodward & Bernstein but her Fan Girl self wouldn't dare.Do you think she would have failed to pursue the same story if it was 2 Michigan basketball players?Bottom line she is not a journalist (like 99% of them) but rather a 'personality." Meanwhile Tony Paul is by far the most objective MSU Journalist based on comments I've seen him make and let's not forget the MSU Student newspaper which has been objective from what I've read.I do welcome and appreciate any MSU media  person who at least attempts to be objective.

MGlobules

January 30th, 2018 at 6:16 PM ^

--all of this stuff was an open secret for a long time. People were talking about it here and on RCMB. It's the Detroit and Lansing media, IMO, that really dropped the ball. (Now they're all wriging their hands and talking about changing the culture, etc. Lynn Henning knew this stuffl so did Graham Couch.)

No one expected anything of Jemele Hill. But the response at RCMB makes clear she's sticking her neck out in the JoePa-style lynch mob that's now forming. 

DairyQueen

January 30th, 2018 at 10:58 PM ^

i mean, it's politics, she didn't report on it (a long with hundreds of others) because everything is a risk-reward hedging strategy based on access, messaging, on-brand statements, and party lines.

it's all unbelieveably fake, and if you notice, Harbaugh sends subtle jabs to the "serious" media reporters nearly every conference. which is exactly how he knew to milk it for all that it was worth for the past 3+ years, because whether you like it or not, they are GOING TO create a storyline for you, his attitude was "well if it's going to happen regardless, why not make it into something that could help me" (including knowing that there will be a backlash)

i worked in media for a bit, it's absolutely uneblieveable, everything just goes in daily, weekly, yearly, and decade long cycles, it's utterly predictable (hence why these "experts" look like "experts", it's like if you thought shakespeare actors were making it up on the spot), hollywood even morseso (and literally anyone within in 10 miles of the industry knew exactly what was going on for decades---my real theory is that all this stuff is coming out because it hides the pedophilia nonsense that goes in in Hollywood as well).

any time you have social dynamics where secrecy and succession is opaque and $$$$ is very high, you always get these kind of cover-ups, because each participant has something to gain and something to lose (finance, status and power), and it builds in a sort of, "who owes who" and "who's got dirt on who" culture. Thats why this happens in politics, sports, the church, hollywood, and large scale businesses.

in a weird twist of fate, the proliferation of media and attention has actually backfired on the media industry itself, as increased transparency has hit many sectors and the tide is flowing outward. But there is always a new secrecy that forms (like who GAF what the president is doing, what's that ol NSA up to?) where things really go underground.

luckily media is now actually decentralizing power and informaiton systems (not without critique of course, and in many, many new and bad ways as well), which is ultimately for the best and the younger generations does seem a bit more progressive about women's rights as a whole.

if someone believes they "know" how the world should be run they should be the absolute last person to ever be in that position (but those are literally the people who become politicians).

 

wolverine1987

January 31st, 2018 at 6:57 AM ^

because for ther first time that I'm aware of I actually agree with Mike Valenti- yes I'll say that, I agree with that hot take specialist--there isn't one single thing in the ESPN piece that wasn't known 8 years ago, 4 years ago, 2 years ago. Not one piece of new evidence has come out. The Walton case, the one everyone is focusing on, was adjudicated and the prosecutor publicly basically said there was no crime there. In that context Izzo's decision to keep him is certainly debateable, but not IMO even close to fireable.

yossarians tree

January 31st, 2018 at 12:50 PM ^

So because nobody bothered to report on rape cover-ups 4 years ago means they are wrong to do so now? In the context of, and under the new light provided by, the worst institutional rape cover-up in the history of the world? I'm sure there are many fine people associated with MSU who are mortified over how the school handled Nasser, but there are many people there who are WAY more upset at the thought of losing the Precious (Izzotonio).

chrisu

January 31st, 2018 at 9:01 AM ^

Spot on - they replaced guys trying to find a schtick like Berman with a bunch of blowhard opinions. ESPN hasn't been worth watching since Body Shaping was bumped...now THAT was how to spend a morning. Sportcenter followed by Body shaping. Suddenly, I'm 19 years old again.

Everyone Murders

January 30th, 2018 at 5:28 PM ^

She's also a cunning linguist.*

*Not really.  She's kind of a dope who happens to be jumping on the right side of this issue now that it's safe to do so.  In general, her positions are sometimes right, sometimes wrong, but nearly always faux-edgy.

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BuckNekked

January 30th, 2018 at 7:18 PM ^

Im sorry but I dont see black and white when I look at someone, I see a human being. Its past time people quit using identity politics and do the same. This strange attitude of seeing race everywhere but proclaiming yourself morally superior is ripping this country apart.

Clarence Boddicker

January 30th, 2018 at 10:13 PM ^

lol--what a bunch of horse shit. Black people get discriminated against, protest that discrimination and get called agitators or race baiters. The refusal to simply acknowlege the lived experience of others is what's tearing this country apart not the people protesting against injustice.

Clarence Boddicker

January 30th, 2018 at 11:45 PM ^

Racism and discrimination aren't the same thing. Racism is getting murdered and having your killer get off because of the false assumptions people have about your skin color. Racism is being denied opportunity in employment and housing and other aspects due to your skin color because it's legal--or not illegal--to do so. Racism is a system--discrimination is an incident or incidents.

Human Torpedo

January 31st, 2018 at 2:34 PM ^

Last few years were killed by black cops than black people killed by white cops. Irishmen in the late 19th were thought of as subhuman in this country and treated worse than slaves, giving them all the dangerous jobs that slaves never got like killing an alligator in the swamp. Are there any "Irish Lives Matter" groups?

Clarence Boddicker

January 31st, 2018 at 6:34 PM ^

Are you this fucking dumb or just pretending? Once the Irish were granted/took sufficient political power they were no longer victimized. Therefore, there is no need today for an Irish Lives Matter group today. There was, back when the Irish rioted against the draft during the Civil War--that's your Irish Lives Matter movement if you're looking for one. And the Irish in the late-19th century were certainly not "treated worse than slaves." An Irish person had rights under the legal system. A black person--slave or free--had no right to press changes against a white person for any crime. That business about black cops killing whites at greater rates is just as bullshit as the rest of the crap you spewed here--based on some nonsense you found at an alt-right website--so I won't even bother to address that since have no doubt that this is not true at all.

garde

January 31st, 2018 at 9:38 AM ^

That's good that you see and judge people as human beings, however you need to see people's color because if you don't, you turn a shoulder to their lived experience. We are such a diverse population and not everyone is treated fairly and justly. That comes through institutional racism, as well as racism present in the DNA of this country. I understand that you just want to treat people as how they treat you, but its way more complex than that. Yes, keep treating people as a human beings, but to admit that you don't see color is to not acknowledge the struggle certain races in this country face on a daily basis. As a white man, I don't get freaked out if I am pulled over by a cop. My parents don't worry that if I get pulled over, I might die. If I wear a hoodie, I don't worry about people thinking I am a thug. etc etc etc  That is the privilege I have as a white male. The reality is race issues are everywhere in our society. I suspect you are caucasian, and while you might freely admit that there are racial problems and are against them, you don't live those moments of daily discrimantion. You could very well be an outstanding person, but if i offer you any advice, don't say you don't see color because then you are unknowingly contributing to the problem. 

HL2VCTRS

January 30th, 2018 at 4:06 PM ^

I don’t want to take away from this important topic, but Michigan State has a class called “Coaching Basketball?” You don’t actually get credit for it, right? Why did I make college so hard on myself?