Belleville coach Jermain Crowell mad at UM again
This time it appears to be over Zordich's comments in the press regarding LaVert Hill.
I'll say this I've never seen a State coach publicly question a kids toughness from Detroit. Especially a kid who played a entire season hurt the year before.
— CoachJermain Crowell (@JermainCrowell) April 19, 2018
As a matter of fact I've not seen a coach from anywhere else in the country ever do that. Not just State but anywhere. I find that very interesting.
— CoachJermain Crowell (@JermainCrowell) April 19, 2018
Never in the public eye!!! There needs to be a trust amongst coach and player. I see no way that a player can trust a coach who publicly questions your toughness. Interesting situation. I'm just watching.
— CoachJermain Crowell (@JermainCrowell) April 19, 2018
April 18th, 2018 at 11:46 PM ^
Constructively criticize in private.
Often times, yes. I think this level of sports is sometimes different, in that regard.
If Hill is hurt by public comments about his toughness, though, he may want to skip playing at the next level because they won’t hesitate to call out a player’s toughness in the media, if that player appears to be unwilling to play through a couple dings.
This is something I need to be concerned about? Some High School coach running his mouth on twitter? The performance of our corners under Zordich has been outstanding. This is football fergodsakes. Enough said.
April 19th, 2018 at 10:02 AM ^
Maybe try decaf tomorrow morning.
April 20th, 2018 at 11:07 AM ^
you try all types of ways to motivate and even call out a kid for toughness. Usually when it reaches a point where he is doing it publicly, it's because all other options have not worked.
I don't have a problem with what Zordich has said. He is frustrated and wants his position group to be a strength in the defense not a weakness. To be there you need your players practicing and getting better. A kid has to learn the difference between an injury and being hurt.
Agreed. Management 101
And with the near universally positve opinion of management by non-management we should definitly assume Manamgement 101 is the way to go.
Or maybe he knows how to motivate a kid he spends time with every day. Seems to have worked last year. First thing I thought of when I read his comments from the interview was he’s trying to do the exact same thing.
that you need to help achieve your goals. I found in my years in business a manager that publicly criticises someone tends to be a poor manager and does not have the respect of their people. Public embarrassment is a de-motivator.
April 19th, 2018 at 10:57 AM ^
Give me 10 minutes and I'll give you a list a mile long of professional athletes who claim their success is born out of being cut, or passed over in the draft, or under-recruited, etc. That's not out of the mouth of a position coach, but that's public embarrassment and it is absolutely a motivator.
Some guys need a pat on the ass and some guys are motivated by a verbal ass-chewing. Coaches do it all-day every day in the media and nobody bats an eye. I guess it's not a big deal until they draw criticism from a high school coach on Twitter. That's when we must mount our very tall horses.
Public embarrassment is a de-motivator for weak people. Though, tough to control how that motivation will be used by a stonger person, possibly against oneself. Have to know what type of person you're dealing with.
There is a difference between criticizing the performance of a group of athletes, in that case the secondary, and criticizing an individual's willingness to practice or play with, perhaps, minor injuries.
Frankly, I was surprised to read Zordich's comments. He could have shared that view internally within Schembechler Hall.
love Twitter. Evreyone's mouthpiece
love Twitter. Evreyone's mouthpiece
Context:
Mike Zordich missed 1 game his entire NFL career.
When I listened to Zordich speaking to the press I didn't take it so much as him insulting Hill. I more thought he was speaking from the heart and talking about what it takes to succeed and saying it like it is. If I were Hill I'd take this as a compliment and also learn from someone who has lived it. Coaches don't go to this length when talking about the injuries of practice squad players.
April 18th, 2018 at 11:52 PM ^
He is right on this one
April 19th, 2018 at 12:15 AM ^
But he undermines it with his own public calling out and comparison to state. I wasn’t crazy about Zordich’s comments but he is the coach and professional. Perhaps a phone call and conversation would have better served the purpose.
Makes him sound like a perpetually butt hurt State fan.
“Ann Arbor is on fire! Harbaugh did it as a publicity stunt! And why are they getting all the press!”
I agree with him, not his method of delivery
I’m willing to bet Zordich didn’t say anything to the media that he hadn’t already told Hill directly...multiple times.
April 19th, 2018 at 10:28 AM ^
"Look kid, if you can't put a few opioids in and play, you're a coward. All the cool kids are sacrificing for the team."
It could easily be construed that way. And would if this were Brian Kelly saying Zordich' comments.
April 19th, 2018 at 12:32 PM ^
You don't need much runway to jump off the highest cliff, eh? lol
This isn't the first time Zordich called his guys out so Lavert knows exactly what he meant and is still able to do what he feels is best for him. I mean, he's not practicing so...
You are entitled to take whatever you will from what Zordich said but that has nothing to do with this situation. If Lavert misses out on reps and can't perform up to the level of the guys who are practicing then guys will take his spot. But all that will be decided in the fall.
And why is this coming up now? Didn't this all take place last summer? What is this guy's beef in April?
Except it somehow made Hill play amazingly this season? And clearly he coached him to play better which is way more important? I mean were his comments even that bad? Why is this coming up now? State in his ear or something? Crowell is the definition of butthurt. Hey Crowell, nowhere in the country has there been as extreme an environment of sexual assault as State. And that's not hyperbole unlike your tweets!
I didn't see the harm in his comments, but you really think Hill wouldn't have played as well if Zordich hadn't talked like that to the press last year? Also not sure how State is relevant here.
Apparently this guy has a history. I don't know. I don't follow recruiting much.
These tweets are about something that happened last August?
Throw stones here. You think rape and sexual assault is an isolated issue? Hell 30% of our undergrads at Michigan admit to being sexually assaulted on campus.
Did Mork send you?
that you?
April 19th, 2018 at 10:09 AM ^
Troll. Hopefully you get banned before you can even read this comment
April 18th, 2018 at 11:54 PM ^
But Zordich seems to know what buttons to press for his players. His rant in August had the whole fan base crapping in our pants, and then our starting corners went out and performed at an All-American Level.
It is an interesting one for sure.
In any case, they better have a sit down with Crowell and get it straightened out.
April 18th, 2018 at 11:58 PM ^
This seems real petty on the high school coaches part and with everything else going on at MSU to be taking up for them right now is even worse. But what do I know.
April 19th, 2018 at 12:16 AM ^
was a result of his comments though. They're really talented CBs. Maybe that's all there is to it.
There really is no need to say those things in public IMO, and putting too much pressure on guys to play hurt seems like a bad Kevin Wilson kind of thing.
Obviously, there's a balance and you want guys to play through some things, but let the training staff decide what they should and shouldn't be playing through. Coaches aren't doctors.
April 19th, 2018 at 12:52 AM ^
Watson went from bottom of depth chart / no fifth year invite to stud. That is a large part coaching. Getting great play from freshman corners is good coaching.
and I'm not saying the coaching wasn't/isn't good overall. I'm saying the specific tactic of calling these guys out in public for not playing while hurt probably wasn't a button that needed pushing in response to the previous poster saying he knows how to push the right buttons.
Obviously a pretty good coach. Just like Kevin Wilson and Larry Eustachy. You can be a good coach (a GREAT coach) and also kind of a jerk, and you can probably cut out that stuff and still be a great coach.
Do you have evidence that the players in question haven’t been medically cleared? That is in fact a big deal and should a coach be demanding a player participate without being cleared, said coach should be sanctioned. So I ask again, do you have evidence to support your implication that coach zordik is having players participate that aren’t medically cleared?
But Zordich didn’t demand (publicly at least) for those players to play through injury. He expressed frustration that they weren’t on the field competing and stated the desire for them to get out there and play. Which I’m sure every coach wants his players to be able to go out there and compete every day. Being frustrated a kid is out with injury isn’t even close to what you’re describing. You’re arguing something that hasn’t happened.
Trueblue2003 implied that Zordich was demanding that players, who haven't been medically cleared, participate in practice. I'm simply asking him for evidence that this is actually happening.
I say, screw this guy and his program. We recruit nationwide and even if we lose 1-2 4 stars, they can be replaced. His players/parents will realize what Michigan has to offer and reject his negativity. He must think he is coaching AAU basketball.
Zordich's tactics (which have already been covered very well in this thread) aside, the Belleville coach seems like a touchy, insecure, high-maintenance guy who's a big STATE fan. (That's easily the most interesting part of his remarks, which would have had much more impact without that tidbit.)
If he'll need to be stroked every time one of his players gets recruited, forget him. Ask any Chicagoan about basketball recruiting in that area. Somewhat similar .....
All i could think of was “express frustration publicly at am injury, vs telling athletes that accusing s pedophile would be too difficult snd hey lets make a card for him” i’ll take Zordich every day of the week.
Say you think Zordich went to far? I’m your man, at least to debate it. Make generalized coaching comparisons with that school? Bugger off.
It was hardly a rant. If you watch the video it really wasn't bad.
Two things to consider here, and both could be true. Hill will definitely have to expect to get called out by his coach when he's getting paid. But right now he isn't.
Hill might be thinking he's not going to go out there for spring practice if he's A) pretty sure he's going to start and B) not 100%. He might even have sights on the NFL after this season. I don't blame the kid for hedging, and I don't blame the coach for calling him out.
April 18th, 2018 at 11:57 PM ^
Ok guy. Also hard to believe this guy's never seen hard nosed coaching before. Almost like he’s biased or something and going out of his way to try to create a problem. Let the man coach his players. Seemed to work just fine last year.
I think his point was not to say do not coach them hard, but you do not publicly blast a kid over and over again.
When did one of our coaches do that?
April 19th, 2018 at 10:55 AM ^
He called him out for not playing through pain in fall camp and he has now repeated in spring ball.
April 18th, 2018 at 11:58 PM ^
and apparently true according to contributor. Have to wonder why he would do that. Certain ways of motivating players; calling them out for public consumption is a definite no-no. Wonder how he might feel if one of his ex-players were to question his coaching ability for all to read.
You mean like Marcus Ray?