The announcers made a specific comment about "a Don Brown defense" and how to attack it?

Submitted by DamnYankee on

Hey All,

Late in the fourth quarter, one of the announcers (I forget which one) referenced their conversation with Scott Frost and how he could attack "a Don Brown" type of defense - Did anyone catch that comment and do you know what he meant?  I think it was Griese who said something like "I talked with Scott Frost yesterday and he said that once he has the athletes he did at Oregon, there are some things you can do to attack a Don Brown defense, but we're not quite there yet."

For those more knowledgable, do you know what he meant?  Is that some of the RPO stuff that spread teams can use to exploit attacking defenses?  Just curious.

Thanks in advance for your time and consideration.

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Magnus

September 12th, 2016 at 8:25 AM ^

There are ways to beat every offense, and there are ways to beat every defense. The same thing is true for offenses. You just have to have the right coaches with the right personnel.

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MGoOhNo

September 12th, 2016 at 1:57 PM ^

I'm West Coast and love CFB so I stayed up and watched the boring Oregon game, and Hoke was wearing a headset almost the entire game. Given the flashbacks hijacking this thread, thought I'd mention it. Looked for an image, but failed.

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Tuebor

September 12th, 2016 at 9:39 AM ^

Everything looks great on paper.  You can scheme up plays to burn Don Brown's defense in the meeting room.  But can you coach up your players to put them in the right place at the right time doing something they can be successful at?  Can you win the play calling chess match on Saturday?   There is so much more to coaching than scheme.

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charblue.

September 12th, 2016 at 10:44 AM ^

relevant as saying Michigan was outhit by UCF. You can scheme to beat a Don Brown defense with tempo, quick hitters, zone read, screens to the perimeter, qb draws. But what Brown's defense showed against UCF was different than what Michigan did the week before to Hawaii. The gameplan, in terms of the type of pressures and manpower uses and formations from which it comes, will change week to week. Michigan may play more base defense against certain teams that don't run spread and go with more nickel and dime defenses when they face better passing teams. Michigan stunted far less on Saturday than the week before in part because of the personnel available to rotate and the fact that they were playing a team with running qbs.

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Tater

September 12th, 2016 at 11:14 AM ^

I stop right at Frost's premise.  Frost is NEVER going to get the athletes he had at Oregon to go to UCF.  There are lots of great athletes who are overlooked in Florida, but not four and five-star great.  It's like every time Scott Frost opens his mouth, another delusion pops out.

I agree with Magnus wholeheartedly, but Scott Frost is not one of the "right coaches" and he will never assemble the "right personnel" to beat Michigan.

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kalamazoo

September 12th, 2016 at 6:03 PM ^

I agree, yet UCF has been on the up and up much more than I thought possible for the last 15 years. I guess I had low expectations for them, but I'd rather be coaching there with 60,000 students (and many more who are donating alumni) than most other non-Power-5 schools.

I'd put UCF above Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Mississippi State, and other Power 5 schools for potential due to the home-grown talent. And QB option and spread teams don't have to be the biggest 5-star highly recruited athletes to be relatively successful.

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BeatIt

September 12th, 2016 at 6:50 PM ^

A young offensive coach on the rise centrally located in the #1 state  for football players in the country. UCF is the largest university in the southeast.60k plus. low academic requiremnets. not only will he be able snag a 5* here and there, he'll also be able snag transfers that don't work out @ UM, UF, FSU, UGA etc etc. He's in a great place imo and should do well. I don't know if he is as good a coach as Herman, but he may be close. BTW oregon doesn't recruit that great, last 5 years of recruitin for oregon, 2011 #12, 2012 #13, 2013 #19, 2014 #21. hardly a juggernaut in recruiting. they recruited mainly 3 stars and 4 stars. its a system program.

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Rhino77

September 12th, 2016 at 8:28 AM ^

At the time I thought he was referring to the defense being overly aggressive at times and lacking lane discipline. On most of those long runs we over penetrated and took ourself out of containment. Still, I'll take an overly aggressive defense any day.



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jdemille9

September 12th, 2016 at 10:39 AM ^

Some of them were being out of containment but on that 87-yard TD run you can see McCray being held big time, honestly I'm shocked it was not called as it looked pretty bad to me as I re-watched the game. If he's not held he makes that play for little to no gain. As we play more competent opponents I'd imagine the refs will stop with the mercy rule 'no calls'.

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drjaws

September 12th, 2016 at 8:30 AM ^

uses a ton of "blitzes" where he rushes guys from odd places.  Sometimes they rush 4 and it's really only a "blitz" because of who is rushing from where. 

 

But basically if you have good talent, you can beat a run blitz or a pass blitz and bust open big plays.  Get a guy the ball in the space the blitzing player just was etc.

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Amaizing Blue

September 12th, 2016 at 8:33 AM ^

I would agree with what the first few posters have said-if you have great talent to go with good schemes, your offense will be more effective.  I don't think there's a big "secret" that will render his defense vulnerable.  Personally, I'm OK with a big play now and then in return for disruption, turnovers, and lots of QB pressure.

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LSAClassOf2000

September 12th, 2016 at 9:36 AM ^

Isn't it still Ed Warriner with the odd chime-in from Tim Beck? I could be behind the curve on that one, but I think Warriner was always kind of a fan of the power running game, at least given his history in other places. It makes sense given Ohio State's tendencies, but I could be missing something here. 

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OrlandoWolverine

September 12th, 2016 at 8:46 AM ^

Scott Frost saw the Jumpman logo on Michigan's uniforms and said, "I know how to beat these guys, we'll implement the Jordan Rules!  But we don't have enough players over 7'0" to take advantage of them yet."

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MichiganMan_24_

September 12th, 2016 at 8:52 AM ^

A lot of it is timing, a guessing game..If you get the right call on vs the right defense its usually going to be a solid gain..On at least 1 of the big runs our defense gave up it was poor angles taken..Dymonte took a bad angle, he underestimated the speed of the RB Killins, he will learn from that.

Its very hard to completely shutdown a speedy spread offense, limit them and execute our offense, a win is a win

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Mr Miggle

September 12th, 2016 at 9:00 AM ^

They weren't ranked #1 because of superior athletes. There's always going to be a RPS factor. Sometimes, you'll make the right call and be able to execute it. What I like most about Brown's defense is that he doesn't give up easy yards.

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