2013 banner or vacated banners: you choose
Simple as the title.
Do you hang a 2013 banner or flip the bird to the NCAA and hang the 4 banners that were taken down?
Why this thread? I'm bored.
My opinion: I think unless you celebrate it on the court, hanging a 2013 banner is pointless. The NCAA is a corrupt joke of an organization whose word means nothing, as evidenced by them reinstating PSU's vacated wins and their countless number of transgressions over the years.
I say hang them back up-
February 20th, 2018 at 11:12 PM ^
How about no
February 20th, 2018 at 11:12 PM ^
And then don’t lose them in court. I don’t think we’ve met both criteria.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:12 PM ^
was clean!
Hang a 2013 banner.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:12 PM ^
was clean!
Hang a 2013 banner.
February 21st, 2018 at 6:33 AM ^
But we were still losing at the time of the block
February 21st, 2018 at 9:04 AM ^
I'm only going from memory here, but I remember the blatant referee fuck ups amounting to the score differential. There was that block, there was an uncalled goaltending on them, and they had a guy who had two 3pt shots after his 5th foul.
February 21st, 2018 at 12:18 PM ^
is the real head scrathcer. How the hell does someone not catch that. We aren't talking about some middle school rec league here. We are talking about the Championship game of a billion dollar tournament. And they can't find someone to keep track of the fouls of the 16 or so players that got playing time that game?
The clean block was annoying because the ref called it before the play even occurred, expecting a foul.
February 21st, 2018 at 2:02 PM ^
I must have blocked that out of my memory. Of a guy did play with five fouls, that's as much in Beileine as it is on the refs. That's up there with no one knowing a player can't slap a ball out of the end zone.
I also remember that guy with the beard throwing himself into a Michigan defender to draw a 3 pt foul. That should have been an offensive foul.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:13 PM ^
Hang the banner. That team was so great, one of the best teams in Michigan athletics history, and not many schools have two NCAA Basketball titles. That ties us with MSU, NCSU, Florida, Cinci, Ok State, Villanova, San Francisco, and now (ironically) Louisville for 9th most all-time. I think I'd rather have 1 more championship than 2 more final fours in the rafters.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:32 PM ^
Then hang a Final Four banner with an asterisk.
It's less fun to hang a banner proclaimming a NC when it is by losing to a team that should not have been on the court. Who knows what would have happened against Witchita State. They only lost to Louisville by 4.
It's more fun to be unofficial & on some printed up t-shirts & to just have fun with it.
February 21st, 2018 at 7:02 AM ^
Hang them all! Fuck the NCAA!
February 21st, 2018 at 8:14 AM ^
exactly!
February 21st, 2018 at 9:45 AM ^
...but take the "NCAA" off the banners.
February 21st, 2018 at 2:06 PM ^
Other than McGary being high, everyone else is still probably in good shape. Get Wichita St on the court and play the game.
February 21st, 2018 at 9:44 AM ^
We don't have a claim to the title though that is any better than Wichita State or Duke. You can't hang banners for games you didn't win because any team that also lost to that team has the same exact claim you do. If we are hanging a banner so could NC A&T, Colorado State, Oregon, Duke, and Wichita State.
I'd rather hang the banners from the 90's since you know, we actually won those games.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:15 PM ^
Hang the 90s banners back up. Most of the kids on those teams did nothing wrong and it's long past due to reconcile and acknowledge the Fab Five given how much the U profited off of them.
Oh and they actually won the games on the court to warrant banners in the first place. Final Four banner for 2013 is more than fair for that squad.
Bullock was welcomed back by Beilein. It should be up to him if anything.
February 21st, 2018 at 1:29 AM ^
Most of the kids on those teams did nothing wrong
That might be a little naive.
But if all they did is take spending money, I don't really care. They should have been paid something anyway.
By NCAA violation standards, they were driving 70 in a 55 zone.
Chris Webber, however, had that motherfucker mashed to the floorboard.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:15 PM ^
Neither. The Fab 5 was 25 years ago, putting up the banners changes nothing. We have banner worthy teams now. It is time to move on.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:17 PM ^
Don't hang anything up. The Fisher era got busted and the school should live with that stain, and Michigan didn't beat Louisville and, as the Wichita St. coach pointed out, it's not all that fair to his team either that they got screwed by a cheater. So don't hang anything there either. Something tells me Michigan won't struggle recruiting kids and keeping fans happy going forward with or without some banners in the rafters.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:17 PM ^
2013 no. hang it if you win it. not by default.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:18 PM ^
We're talking about a piece of cloth with letters and numbers stitched on them. It's not a big deal. This feels like Lions management debating whether or not to hang "Wild Card" banners at Ford Field. Pointless.
February 21st, 2018 at 7:50 AM ^
Hanging them would feel more like a "fuck you" move to the NCAA than a participation trophy, and I'm all for that.
February 21st, 2018 at 8:20 AM ^
*finger guns*
February 20th, 2018 at 11:20 PM ^
With the shit North Carolina got away with, I say hang them all.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:24 PM ^
Hang a banner for a game we didn't win? Sorry but anybody suggesting this is a...
February 20th, 2018 at 11:24 PM ^
I say just embrace hypocrisy and hang the Fab 5 banners and the 2013 national title banner. College sports are a villain’s game
February 20th, 2018 at 11:29 PM ^
We have a better claim to the 2013 basketball title now than Alabama has to a handful of their claimed football titles. In 1941 Bama went 9-2, and most entities chose 8-0 Minnesota as champion, and two others chose 8-1-1 Texas...but Bama claims the title. I think we can claim 2013.
February 21st, 2018 at 2:39 AM ^
Can't hang 2013. it's not as simple as well, we lost in the last game to them, so we're champs by default. the entire season was affected. every team could claim a title. it's like the 6 degrees of Kevin bacon... Louisville beat team x, who could've had a better chance at the tourney. remove Louisville from the tourney and all the seed lines are different. Burke never hits the shot, cuz that game is never played. and so on and so on.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:33 PM ^
Kudos. What an excellent observation. I have never heard it described better or more accurately.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:54 PM ^
Thanks, in college sports you're either a villain trying to win at all costs on the national level or a chump who cashes the TV money checks while preaching integrity and academics. I think our 2018 recruiting class looks a lot better if we had an SEC/OSU budget. The real Big Ten has 4 national titles since the SEC integrated in the 70's and 3 of those are OSU's.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:26 PM ^
Well Michigan is the only school to actually win a Final Four game that season.
February 21st, 2018 at 1:06 AM ^
We can say - accurately - that no team made it further in the 2013 NCAA Tournament than Michigan did.
We were King of the Mountain.
So hang a banner for that.
2013 NCAA Tournament "Last Team Standing"
Or something like that.
/JK
/not really
February 21st, 2018 at 6:36 AM ^
is absolutely perfect, IMO. Hang that banner, and then make it our t-shirt phrase that the guys wear during warmups. Like everyone, our goal is to be the last team standing.
You get to kinda claim the title without officially doing it. Nike makes a ton of money off people buying "Be the Last Team Standing" t-shirts. Seriously, TM that.
Also, it's great that Nike would have about 3.5 weeks to make that shirt between the Big Ten Tournament and the Big Dance.
/Thanks Delaney
February 21st, 2018 at 8:25 AM ^
I think you are on to something here.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:28 PM ^
You either win it or you don't...would hang my head in shame if we hung a banner as suggested....tacky to even suggest!
February 20th, 2018 at 11:29 PM ^
Heck, hang 'em all.
And the NCAA, too
: P
(legal / criminal intent disclaimer: that last one I meant *metaphorically*. just in case anyone was wondering...)
February 20th, 2018 at 11:30 PM ^
The Fab Five has transcended any banners or even the teams and players that beat them in the finals. It adds to their legacy to have no banners.
Though the good guys were hosed as usual, we did not win the championship in 2013. We may not have lost it, but you should not hang a banner for not losing.
In this time in NCAA history especially, M should stand for integrity, first and foremost, as it always has. Even if we know that we deserve better.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:30 PM ^
in fact, start making up banners and hang those too!
February 21st, 2018 at 1:45 AM ^
COLD WAR CHAMPIONS!
Too soon?
February 20th, 2018 at 11:31 PM ^
fair question. if the NCAA decided to hand down the Championship for 2013 to Michigan i can see hanging it but Beilein today said he wasn't going to claim the championship.
the Fab Five banners would be nice to see and it was long ago but i don't think you can hang them and still ask Louisville to vacate their championship without being a total hypocrite.
February 21st, 2018 at 6:31 AM ^
Hanging or removing a banner is completely Michigan’s decision. Louisville was stripped of the title. Just because it was “vacated”, doesn’t mean it was their choice
February 20th, 2018 at 11:35 PM ^
We should just change it to read "2013 NCAA Tournament Best Record".
February 20th, 2018 at 11:43 PM ^
Might as well be: 2013 Miss Congeniality
February 21st, 2018 at 1:47 AM ^
"2013 NCAA Tournament King of the Mountain"
Put some oompf in it.
Photoshop Trey's face on this and we're good to go:
February 20th, 2018 at 11:38 PM ^
Quit talking and go win something. All we do is talk. The last time we stopped talking and played was in 97. Go win big games then hang banners.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:57 PM ^
lol? This has nothing to do with Football.
Michigan Basketball and Football aren't even in the same league in the last 10 years.
February 21st, 2018 at 7:40 AM ^
Even worse. We haven’t won a natty in your lifetime in basketball. Still talk. Stop trying to hang banners on circumstances. When we win big games we go hang banners.
February 21st, 2018 at 11:56 AM ^
You're very tone deaf here.
February 20th, 2018 at 11:52 PM ^
2013 Final 3 Champion